32 man heavyweight Tournament 1947-1963

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  1. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Seeds

    1. Sonny Liston
    2. Rocky Marciano
    3. Joe Louis
    4. Cassius Clay
    5. Jersey Joe Walcott
    6. Ezzard Charles
    7. Floyd Patterson
    8. Archie Moore
    9. Elmer Ray
    10. Harold Johnson
    11. Ernie Terrell
    12. Zora Folley
    13. Eddie Machen
    14. Cleveland Williams
    15. Clarence Henry
    16. Jimmy Bivins
    17 Bob Baker
    18 Nino Valdes
    19 Rex Layne
    20 Lee Q Murray
    21 Hurricane Jackson
    22 Doug Jones
    23 Henry Cooper
    24 roland Lastarza
    25 Joe Baksi
    26 Bruce Woodcokk
    27 John Holman
    28 Mike DeJohn
    29 Roy Harris
    30 Willie Pastrano
    31 Bob Cleroux
    32. Turkey Thompson

    First round match ups to be posted soon....


    Round 1

    Liston vs Thompson
    Marciano vs Cleroux
    Louis Vs Pastrano
    Clay vs Harris
    Walcott vs Dejohn
    Charles vs Holman
    Patterson vs Woodcokk
    Moore vs Baksi
    Ray vs Lastarza
    Johnson vs Cooper
    Terell vs Jones
    Folley vs Jackson
    Machen vs Murray
    Williams vs Layne
    Henry vs Valdes
    Bivins vs Baker




    Thoughts?
     
  2. SuzieQ49

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    Round 1

    Liston vs Thompson
    Marciano vs Cleroux
    Louis Vs Pastrano
    Clay vs Harris
    Walcott vs Dejohn
    Charles vs Holman
    Patterson vs Woodcokk
    Moore vs Baksi
    Ray vs Lastarza
    Johnson vs Cooper
    Terell vs Jones
    Folley vs Jackson
    Machen vs Murray
    Williams vs Layne
    Henry vs Valdes
    Bivins vs Baker




    Thoughts?
     
  3. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Terrell fought Jones in real time and I don't think the result would be any different.
     
  4. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    And your other picks?
     
  5. Brock Rock

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    Why is Sonny seeded over Marciano? Makes no sense. Also it's obviously the best version of each fighter from that time period? So Joe Louis you would roll with the 1947 guy?
     
  6. Brock Rock

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    Winners in bold

    Liston vs Thompson
    Marciano vs Cleroux
    Louis Vs Pastrano
    Clay vs Harris
    Walcott vs Dejohn
    Charles vs Holman
    Patterson vs Woodcokk
    Moore vs Baksi
    Ray vs Lastarza
    Johnson vs Cooper
    Terell vs Jones
    Folley vs Jackson
    Machen vs Murray
    Williams vs Layne
    Henry vs Valdes
    Bivins vs Baker
     
  7. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Yes 1947

    Sonny was better in my opinion
     
  8. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    OK, wasn't sure if you realized there are some bouts that actually took place here, but I see you are aware.


    Round 1

    Liston vs Thompson
    Marciano vs Cleroux
    Louis Vs Pastrano
    Clay vs Harris
    Walcott vs Dejohn
    Charles vs Holman
    Patterson vs Woodcokk
    Moore vs Baksi
    Ray vs Lastarza
    Johnson vs Cooper
    Terell vs Jones
    Folley vs Jackson
    Machen vs Murray
    Williams vs Layne
    Henry vs Valdes
    Bivins vs Baker
     
  9. Mendoza

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    Picks above
     
  10. TheMikeLake

    TheMikeLake Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Liston vs Thompson.........Liston TKO 9
    Marciano vs Cleroux.........Marciano TKO 9
    Louis Vs Pastrano............Louis KO 9
    Clay vs Harris..................Ali TKO 10
    Walcott vs Dejohn........ Walcott UD
    Charles vs Holman............Charles KO 7
    Patterson vs Woodcokk.....Patterson TKO 8
    Moore vs Baksi.................Moore TKO 12
    Ray vs Lastarza...............Lastarza SD
    Johnson vs Cooper............Johnson SD
    Terell vs Jones..................Terell UD
    Folley vs Jackson............Folley UD
    Machen vs Murray...........Machen UD
    Williams vs Layne.......... Layne TKO 6
    Henry vs Valdes............Henry SD
    Bivins vs Baker..............Bivins UD


    Results courtesy of "Title Fight"
     
  11. TheMikeLake

    TheMikeLake Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Which of these fighters would I consider to be in "Pre-Prime" or "Post-Prime" in terms of the years, as maybe Clay/Ali was still pre-prime during in 1963?

    Or do we consider everyone was in their prime in this tourny?
     
  12. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Louis definitely post prime and Ali pre-prime. The rest can fit within the parameters.