Zuniga vs. Abraham

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Ethan Trims, May 5, 2008.


  1. Odo

    Odo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I personally see Abraham dismantle Zuniga within the first half of their encounter.
    Abraham isnt that fond on chasing fast runners and mobile opponents as could be seen against Ayala and Gainer,but whoever stands in front of his fists and tries to duke it out with him will have a bloody tough time.

    As for Zuniga what makes you think that he can beat Abraham? Zuniga's fight record is packed with lots of no-hopers and totally outclassed journeymen.Not that long ago he squared off against a fighter with a record of zero victories and 6 losses. His claim to fame is a stoppage loss to Pavlik and a lost point decision to Daniel Santos.
    Yes, he did beat a limited local American clubfighter like Zertuche,surprisingly knocked out the extremely slow Oganov who at times fights as if caught in slow motion, and went the distance with totally shot former fringe contender Antwun Echols.
    I guess that for you jester that is enough to bet your money on him against Abraham,eh!

    I for my part think that Zuniga is more or less on the same level with fighters like Mahir Oral,Sebastian Demers,or that totally overrated American based Duddy character. I even doubt that Zuniga would be victorious against the likes of Gevor,Carrerra,or Griffin.
     
  2. pipe wrenched

    pipe wrenched ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    :bbb :bbb :lol:

    Yeah, I MAY have had "too much fun" over the weekend and was MAYBE still feeling it a little yesterday. LOL.

    I would like to say Zuniga, IMO, should pull this out in a hell of a fight.
     
  3. TFFP

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    Oh, I get the idea now, we are again supposed to overrate Zuniga to the hills despite all the evidence to the contrary. But hey, whatever makes Pavlik look great eh? :roll:

    He gets knocked out in the mid to late rounds. It isn't that bad of a style matchup for Abraham, because although he could outwork him for periods (who the hell doesn't) he's always there to be hit. Abraham looks horrible against runners, or mobile boxers at the least
     
  4. pipe wrenched

    pipe wrenched ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    Hello, TFFP.:D

    I suppose the tactics you described sound familiar to you and your bunch, eh??
     
  5. BIGTIMETIMMY

    BIGTIMETIMMY ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    i cant wait till june 21
     
  6. TFFP

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    Depends. It would be somewhere along the lines of overrating Tocker Pudwill or Mario Veit
     
  7. pipe wrenched

    pipe wrenched ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    Thus says TFFP.:yep
     
  8. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Just a fresh look at Zuniga. There aren't many clips online.

    How many of you guys realize that Abaham's team BLATANTLY ducked Zuniga. He was scheduled to fight an eliminator, but his opponent had to drop out due to an injury. Instead of giving Zuniga the fight, Abraham fought the almighty Elvyn Ayala.
     
  9. Ethan Trims

    Ethan Trims Active Member Full Member

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    Abraham deserves alot of credit for being able to fight with a broken jaw, yeah. Thats mental toughness some people can only hope to have. But what does that have to do with a Zuniga/Abraham thread? It seems like your bringing alot of anxiety from outside into this thread.
     
  10. Ethan Trims

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    I hate to tell you Odo, but Abraham is mostly known for getting his jaw wrecked by Miranda and then getting a "questionable" decision. He is a better fighter then that, I know, but still thats what crosses peoples minds firstly about him. Im sure its different for you german fans because you'll are in the middle of the AA hype bubble.

    What makes Zuniga a difficult opponent is his mental toughness/intelligence, his chin along with stamina and good snappy power. He made Pavlik go to hell to get rid off him, do you really think Abraham who doesnt throw as close to as many punches or doesnt have the reach is gonna be troubleing him as much? Cause thats what was really bothering Zuniga in the Pavlik fight the reach. And the whole Abraham has more 1 punch Ko power then Pav idea is really mute because even if thats true, Pavlik still has a much higher Ko percentage and more first round Ko's(AA doesnt have any). Plus hes proven to Ko much higher grade opposition then AA. Zuniga is very tough nut to crack mentally(his jaw too), so I dont expect AA to so easily dictate the course of the fight as he has done in the past with his ring generalship.

    If this fight would ever happen Zuniga would be a very live looking underdog to me, only on non-german soil though.
     
  11. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    According to Pavlik, who certainly knows more about it than we do, zuniga hits harder than Miranda or Taylor. If Zuniga busted Arthur up the way Miranda did, he would finish him. He's faster, more accurate, hits harder, and has much better technique than Miranda.
     
  12. Ethan Trims

    Ethan Trims Active Member Full Member

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    that is surprising.
     
  13. Odo

    Odo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If this fight would ever happen Zuniga would be a very live looking underdog to me, only on non-german soil though.

    According to your logic Abraham would be the huge underdog against Zuniga on american soil,eh!


    And the whole Abraham has more 1 punch Ko power then Pav idea is really mute because even if thats true, Pavlik still has a much higher Ko percentage and more first round Ko's(AA doesnt have any).

    Bah! A higher ko percentage doesnt mean that much anyway! Someone like Oganov had had 28 ko victories in 28 fights before he faced Zuniga.So what? Oganov has pop in his fists. Nevertheless,he is a limited club fighter.
    Dont get me wrong though! I am not trying to belittle Pavlik and his achievements.I truly enjoyed his two encounters with Taylor,and he is rightfully ranked ahead on Abraham due to his two convincing victories over Taylor.I for my part would like to watch Pavlik take on a good b level fighter like Carrera,Ghevor,or Sylvester.After all he may have Taylor's number.Miranda? I personally think that the Columbian is quite overrated here on esb.The Columbian wasnt able to finish off a severely injured Abraham who was fighting with a shattered jaw and losing tons of blood within the last couple of rounds in his encounter with Miranda.Nevertheless,he was the one who seemed to be more likely to take out his opponent Miranda than the other way round.
    IMO Abraham has faced the better opposition (apart from Taylor of course).
    However,this doesnt mean that I favour Abraham over Pavlik or Pavlik over Abraham. To be honest I have no idea who will win their encounter.Could really go either way.
    He made Pavlik go to hell to get rid off him, do you really think Abraham who doesnt throw as close to as many punches or doesnt have the reach is gonna be troubleing him as much?

    Styles make fights.You are right in saying that Abraham doesnt throw as many punches as Pavlik,but Abraham has a totally different style than Pavlik.
    Abraham tends to be quite lethargic within the first few rounds losing them even to totally overmatched and outclassed opposition at times.
    A fast and capable mover will be Abraham's downfall one day.
    But..................Zuniga is not a quick counterpuncher.He doesnt really have the style to trouble Abraham that much IMO.

    What makes Zuniga a difficult opponent is his mental toughness/intelligence, his chin along with stamina and good snappy power.

    Daniel Santos easily outpointed him according to the fight reports(I havent seen that fight). Pavlik stopped him.Zertuche scored a draw and lost a close point decision to him in their second encounter.Zuniga had to go the full route with Echols who is as much over the hill as you can be as a shot fighter.Zuniga is a good fighter. Thats for sure! But so are Mahir Oral,Sebastian Demers,and Amir Asikainen.
    As I have already stated I am not really sure whether Zuniga would beat the likes of Khoren Gevor, Mariano Carrera,or Kingsley Ikeke if they ever fought each other.

    but Abraham is mostly known for getting his jaw wrecked by Miranda and then getting a "questionable" decision.

    Over there in the states? You are probably right!

    Im sure its different for you german fans because you'll are in the middle of the AA hype bubble.

    Good point,but the same could be said about you and Pavlik.


    I like Pavlik,too! He is fun to watch, a very exciting and entertaining fighter.
    I very much hope that Abraham and Pavlik will square off against each other at the beginning of 2009.That would be one of the most promising fights within the last couple of years.
    Lets hope that their encounter really comes off!
    May the better man win!



    As for Zuniga he is no top fighter,and will never be one.
    He is a kind of tough gatekeeper,but whoever wants to dethrone one of the reigning champs should be able to beat him.
     
  14. Hrak

    Hrak Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Zuniga is trouble, Im an Abraham fan but I know boxing enough to know that Zuniga poses a lot of danger to Arthur. His one of those guys thats just hard to hurt and doesnt give up. I would personally never put money on this fight cuz its gone be close, but im gone say Abraham by UD in a very close fight.