Ali was given little chance as Fury is now

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  1. rossle

    rossle Active Member Full Member

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    When Ali was due to fight Liston he was a big underdog. Amongst other things he was seen as having a weak chin. He was dropped by small 190lb Sonny Banks and even smaller 180lb Cooper who nearly knocked him cold. He was then seen as being gifted a decision against Doug Jones who also hurt him.

    What Ali had was movement and combination punching and it was too much for Liston to deal with as will Furys over Klitschko but at the time it was ridiculous to even suggest Ali would beat the monster Liston.

    Cassius Clay-Sonny Liston I: 50 Years Later - Ring TV

    Of 58 sportswriters polled before the fight, 55 picked Liston to win and the vast majority thought he'd end matters quickly. In retrospect it's difficult to believe Clay was such a profound underdog but at the time several compelling reasons fueled their opinions.

    First, Liston was a textbook fighter with a complete ****nal of deadly punches while Clay broke every imaginable rule of boxing fundamentals. He kept his hands too low. He leaned away from punches instead of slipping them. He never punched to the body. He knew nothing about fighting in the trenches. His hook and uppercut – which he used rarely – were average at best.

    Second, Clay had a questionable chin. He suffered a flash knockdown against Sonny Banks and was nearly knocked senseless by Henry Cooper in his most recent fight eight months earlier. The punch that floored Clay both times: The left hook. And what was Liston's best punch? The left hook.

    Third, despite the 14 knockouts in his 19-0 record and the fact that he had stopped 10 of his last 11 opponents, Clay didn't appear to have the one-punch power to earn Liston's respect.

    Finally, the experts thought the 22-year-old Clay was mentally unstable and lacked the maturity to be world heavyweight champion. Those criticisms seemingly were confirmed the morning of the fight when Clay instigated the most chaotic weigh-in ceremony the boxing world had ever seen.

    Cassius Clay vs. Doug Jones - BoxRec

    The Associated Press - March 14, 1963:
    The spindly-legged New Yorker gave Cassius Clay quick notice that he had no intention of falling quickly. Early in the first round, he caught Cassius with a hard right to the jaw that shook the ****y one all over. Clay had just leaned his head back and Jones came through with a right. Jones also rocked Clay in the fourth and seventh rounds, and at times made the tall, handsome youngster look like a novice
     
  2. lepinthehood

    lepinthehood When I'm drinking you leave me well alone banned Full Member

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    Now that's what I'm talking about. WAR FURY!!!!!!!
     
  3. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    Well he has his chance hes been calling out Wlad so now its time to show and prove
     
  4. thekid

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    Fury sucks and will be knocked out
     
  5. lepinthehood

    lepinthehood When I'm drinking you leave me well alone banned Full Member

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    Beat it kid
     
  6. Maggo

    Maggo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It is absolutely disrespectful to bring the Name "Fury" in the same sentence with ALI.
     
  7. like a boss

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    I don't think there's any danger Tyson Fury is the next Muhammad Ali just quietly. But there is a lot to like about this fight.
     
  8. rayrobinson

    rayrobinson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is exactly what I was thinking when Fury vs Vlad was announced ....

    Other than Clay being the greatest fighter ever he is very alike Fury , in fact its almost uncanny the likeness.
     
  9. rossle

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    Alot keeps getting made of Fury getting dropped by Cunningham.

    Cunnngham was actual world class and weighed 210lb of solid muscle. Probably around the same weight Stivern and Arreola would be if you stripped their fat.

    Ali got dropped by a british level 180lb fighter in the fight prior to Liston.

    Ali was seen as a complete no hoper against Liston. Imagine what you would all say about him today getting dropped by someone 30lb lighter than Cunningham was!!

    Ali also got dropped by 190lb Sonny Banks but is now regarded as having one of boxings best chins.
     
  10. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    dude liston wasn't dominating even close to Wlad, and Fury was not even close to ali's level, ali won a gold ffs.
     
  11. thekid

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    Fury won't make past the 9th round
     
  12. Maggo

    Maggo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Please.. have respect to the big ALI and don't mix him up with that ugly gypsy Piece of sh!t :fire:fire
     
  13. rossle

    rossle Active Member Full Member

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    How would Fury do against Cooper?

    Hed be laughed at for even contemplating taking him on.

    It would be like Fury fighting Cleverly!
     
  14. rossle

    rossle Active Member Full Member

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    Liston hadnt been knocked out three times:yep
     
  15. Unforgiven

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    The 'fix' is in.

    I predict Wlad will throw the fight and quit on his stool like Liston did.