Ketchel vs Johnson news read.

That quote is horse**** because the ringside reports state that Ketchel was lead away from the ring immediately and left the arena in a car driven by his handlers. They go on to report that he hid out in his hotel the rest of the day/night. Preferring not to be seen. The idea that he would say Johnson was in worse shape than him is patently ridiculous because we can see clearly in the film that Ketchel had a closed eye, a cut, blood lips and nose, and it was also reported that his front teeth had in fact been knocked out. Nevermind the quotes I already printed on the other thread from Ketchel stating just how bad he was hurt, the effects of which lingered for months. Show us these pictures of Johnson's bruise or swollen jaw.

 

Some others but definitely not you, spot the difference?

Three posters have asked you to provide a photo showing Johnson's black eye'
I was the first and that was 8 years ago! You didn't do so then and you wont do so now.

You have been exposed as a congenital liar time and time again.


Your phobic hatred of Jack Johnson has reached such ridiculous lengths that no one now gives you a shred of credibility on the subject .

So bad is your rep on it that you are now reduced to trying to inveigle others into your crusade,and seizing on remarks they have made ,to shore up your own terminally fractured and discredited arguments.

If you were not such a compulsive liar you would be funny ,as it is you are just a sad bigot,automatically regurgitating the same old bull sh*t ad nauseum.



NB Ruhlin vFitzsimmons was NOT filmed, what was offered for sale is a RE-ENACTMENT WITH A DIFFFERENT CORNERMAN IN RUHLIN'S CORNER THE ONE FOR THE REAL FIGHT WAS CORBETT. It is mentioned in several books that Ruhlin had to wear stage make up to cover his facial injuries . I have the Jim Jeffries book here on my desk, Adam covers the fight in it as does Gilbert Odd in The Fighting Blacksmith, which I also have. Now do yourself favour and tell your lies elsewhere.

Just one more thing.



For God's sake get yourself a life!atsch

 

You said Ketchel gave Johnson a black eye and 3 posters asked for proof of this by the producing of a photo.

After 8 years, you've produced jack sh*t.
I've just re-read Adam's chapter on the fight, no mention of a black eye for Johnson .
Johnson floored Ketchel in the 2nd rd
, the 6th rd ,and the 12rd,he also grabbed him and kept him upright twice to prevent him falling.

In the 4th rd he picked Ketchel up bodily and carried him across the ring.
Ketchel won zero rounds

Ruhlin v Fitzsimmons : It wasn't filmed the re-enactment was filmed.
I'm sure after repeated explanations, even a child would be able to grasp that.

I never expected you to honour your bet as you never honoured our earlier arrangement for a "settler".
You are just a yellow, lying sack of sh*t who f*cks up every thread he touches like a virus.
But you carry on telling your little lies no one here gives a sh*t . This is your own agenda driven thread so for once you can spew your bile as much as you wish.
A sh*t thread from a sh*t poster.:hi:

 

No, I dont believe Johnson's quote. I think he was trying to sell the fight as more competitive and more dramatic than it really was because he had a percentage of the movie revenue.

I dont think the press is in any position to determine whether a fighter was dazed. Moreover, I have not read a single first hand account saying he was dazed. In fact, as I already pointed out, they discuss how he stayed in the ring to give interviews while Ketchel was whisked away to be doctored up.

Everyone's point has been that YOU said you could see a mark on Johnson in the film. Youve said this. Period. You also said you had photos of it. If you have then reproduce them. That being said, a visible mark, or abrasion, or even your imaginary black eye is no indication that Ketchel hurt Johnson. Hell, my son gave me a black eye on accident when he was five years old. Again, its pathetic the things you will latch on to in order to discredit Johnson as a fighter. Johnson dominated every second of that fight including the fake knockdown yet somehow youve taken the idea that he might have had a bruise somewhere as meaning that Ketchel hurt him... whatever. Watch the film and tell me Johnson was ever hurt, wobbled, or in trouble from Ketchel. He wasnt. He was in total command the entire time and it was beyond a mismatch. It was like a grown man playing with a child. Literally.

 

First of all there is no doubt Ketchels face appeared covered in blood as this fight progressed.....he was taking punishment.

Secondly I just had the time to look for the punch that appears to stagger Johnson. First round. Johnson is peppering Ketchel with Jabs but you can see Ketchel maneuvering to land his right over Johnsons jab. He does just that and lands a hard right to Johnsons head. Johnson, his back to the camera, shudders/staggers. Please look for yourself. For the best view look for a clear copy of the fight on YouTube. Many ****py copies.

Third Gunboat Smith stated the bout and the KD was faked and I have always bought this claim as he was at ringside and knew Johnson well. However here we are in round one and Ketchel has landed a significant blow and it appears he earnestly attacks Johnson albeit unsuccessfully after that blow lands. Johnson knocked Ketchel down a few rounds later and held him up preventing another KD. Also Ketchels face took a terrible battering. Does all this occur if the bout is fixed in advance? Maybe yes, Maybe no. Certainly the KD of Johnson looks fake as he appears to be going down before the punch was thrown. It is very possible that the right hand clipped Johnsons head. The quality of the film makes it difficult to determine.

 

Also although The San Fran Call does not mention that right hand Ketchel landed in round one they do state in their round by round of the fight that Ketchel landed a left hand during round 7 that produced a big lump on Johnsons jaw. The punch was described as the cleanest and best punch of the fight. They also stated that this lump was immediately visible to the spectators watching the fight.

Understand I am a big proponent of both Johnson and Ketchel. The truth however is the truth. Ultimately the truth is what good historians are looking for.

 

And again, what does it prove if Ketchel gave Johnson a bruise or a bump? Nothing. Ketchel wasnt in that fight for one second of any round including the round he "knocked down" Johnson. He never hurt him, regardless of what you think, so what?? I dont understand the need to give Ketchel some false badge of honor by pretending he did anything to Johnson. Anyone with a pair of eyes, or one halfway decent eye, can see Johnson handled with so much ease it was beyond a mismatch. Why the rush by some to pretend Ketchel was anything more than what he was against Johnson? Ketchel was a great MW. He was a pathetic HW. PATHETIC. Period. Thats no knock on him but give the hyperbole and the false competetiveness a rest.

The pushback on a bruise came from Mendoza claiming he saw it in the film and had photos of it. I call bull**** and he has never ever once been able to back that up. Period. Even if Johnson had a bruise who ****ing cares. You can get a bruise or a bump from bumping your head on a cabinet door lightly. Does that mean the cabinet door is some ****ing badass??? No. Human skin is human skin regardless of whether you weigh 130 pounds or 230 pounds. Anyone can raise a bruise on you. That doesnt mean anything. It certainly doesnt mean that Ketchel had one second of a lookin in that fight. He didnt.

 

I see no one stating Ketchel did well in this fight. You however stated Ketchel never did anything to Johnson during this bout. You were wrong. San Fran call stated Ketchels left in the seventh was the best punch of the bout and produced a big lump on Johnsons jaw. If you watch round one Ketchel clearly and nicely feints, moves in and out looking to land his right over the Johnson left and he does so. It appears that blow had an effect on Johnson. With silient film era bouts it's not easy to know what you are looking at unless you know boxing technically. Again no slight to Johnson who was one of the ATG hwts. He certainly dominated this bout but it's very possible he had a painful jaw after the bout as he claimed.

 

The Call also stated it was a ****ing mistmatch and I quote: "The fight was one of the most uneven and discouraging that the city has ever known." "Ketchel never figured for a single second."

You took one sentence in the article and made what out of it I dont even know. If a world championship fight like that took place today where the challenger was knocked down twice, beaten to a pulp, had his teeth knocked out, and was literally held up from going down by the champion on more than one occasion do you seriously think anyone would give two ****s if the challenger landed one punch and you imagined (from the back of the champion) that the champion "stutter stepped" ?? No. So give it up. The fight was a joke and so was Ketchel. His vaunted power was nowhere in evidence. Not even for the one punch you think you saw that did absolutely nothing to Johnson which btw you say was in the first round yet quote reports that say was in the seventh or that fake knockdown (which is completely obvious to anyone who isnt biased or stupid), . Jesus, talk about trying hard to prove a non-point.

 

Once again no one is saying Ketchel did well. You stated completely inaccurate points concerning this fight. I corrected you. For once be a man and admit it. You stated Johnson was not marked. You were wrong. Ketchel hit Johnson with a right hand in round one that moved him. You stated it never occurred. You were wrong. I believe you do spend lots of time watching old fights and reading fight accounts but your issues are twofold......you don't know boxing technically so as much as you watch you can't interprete well what you are seeing. Secondly you have specific agendas so you purposefully slice and dice history so it fits your agendas.

 

When I saw footage of Jack Johnson literally holding Stanley Ketchell up to prevent the latter from falling down, I realized that Johnson was carrying him during the bout.

- Chuck Johnston

 

Twisting words is a sign of desperation. Let's make is simple even for you.

The large lump on Johnsons jaw occurred in round seven as per the San Fran call from a left hand by Ketchel. The Call stated it was the best punch of the fight.

Johnson being moved by a Ketchel punch occurred in round one as per my observation. If you have digital cable watch it yourself so you can see. Certainly appears as if the punch moves Johnson/makes Johnson studder step.

Based upon the large lump on Johnsons jaw it's certainly reasonable to believe Johnsons claim that his chin was sore after the bout was true.

For the fourth time no one is claiming Ketchel did well. I am just correcting your very inaccurate comments.

 

Chuck. Your observation could very well be accurate.