Is GGG just a MW prince Naseem?

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  1. Prince G

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    :deal
     
  2. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    not really, hes shown resolve to stick to the plan. Naz never had that, although Naz probably had a better resume and at a younger age too, if we are being fair.
     
  3. gdm

    gdm Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Ggg is a real deal ,he's being ducked , while Hamed was british can crushing hype job .
     
  4. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    An 8-4 defeat doesn't always tell the whole story. Barrera won his rounds big. And Hamed squeaked out his rounds.

    You could really say all you want, but that night he Hamed just looked like he simply was a much lesser fighter. Like he just didn't belong and believe his own hype.
     
  5. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Hamed had faced 1 high level fighter before Barrera right? Kevin Kelley right? And even Kelley certaintly was't a top notch, p4p material fighter.

    Sort of like how GGG has really only faced 1 high level fighter in Martin Murray. But even Murray is certainly no p4p material.

    It would be like Canelo or Ward coming in and taking him to school. If that happened he'd be similar to Hamed. A guy who never fought an elite fighter and once he did just got outclassed.
     
  6. tinman

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    Also, I've seldom since a fighter look embarrassed in a ring.

    Frustrated, beaten, in pain, exhausted, yes. But not embarrassed.

    At the end of the 9th round as Hamed went back to his corner after being sent flying in the air that was awesome. He just looked totally embarrassed like the world was crashing down on him. And in that moment he finally realized what was going on. He was nowhere near as good as his hype.
     
  7. JAB5239

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    Hamed wasnt a fraud. At this point GGG should be happy to be compared to Hamed. And while I dont see him losing anytime soon there is no Barrera for him unless he moves up and fights Ward.
     
  8. tinman

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    They both have only 1 victory over a high quality fighter.
     
  9. Thread Stealer

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    Tom Johnson was a better win than Kevin Kelley. Hamed didn't face any elite p4p fighters before M.A. Barrera. He had a decent set of wins over titleholders at 126. He was on top of the division when Morales was still at 122, didn't fight Marquez, and got soundly outboxed by Barrera. He wasn't on their level IMO, and people talk about how he was better with Ingle and got lazy and declined, well there is some truth to that. But even before that, when he was supposed to be at his peak, he still showed some of his flaws, whether it was suffering knockdowns against Kelley. Johnson (unofficial) and Alicea, or getting hit repeatedly with rights and getting his mouthpiece knocked loose by Medina. He wasn't simply getting caught because boxers get caught. He was getting caught because he was doing things like leaving himself wide open when throwing, leaving his hands by his side, trying to lean his whole body back to avoid shots and pulling all his balance on his back. His weird style was gonna help him in some ways due to his unpredictability, and hurt in other ways because of how many mistakes he made.

    GGG was more fundamentally sound. I read some good ****ysis on him, the science behind his style, how he sets guys up. The styles between him and Hamed are completely different, as our their accomplishments. Hamed's resume wasn't the best, but he had a solid list of guys who were champs at 126. GGG doesn't even have that, his resume is relatively putrid.
     
  10. Jake LaMotta

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    1. He was 27...case closed, he was nowhere near past prime. Mental my ****...many a boxer has lost some heart mid career for them only to turn it around. Floyd being the recent example.
     
  11. Cisco Route

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    Hamed had legitimate one punch KO power. Bumlovkin does not.

    Hamed beat some solid guys. Bumlovkin knocks over TOMATO CANs.
     
  12. Cisco Route

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    WTF?!? Bumlovkin is lucky there are no legitimate 160lb Cubans fighting in the pro ranks or he would have had his ass SCHOOLED by now. That said, the US just today re-opened it's embassy in Havana so....
     
  13. Gannicus

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    You're a dumbass.
    1. Erik Morales was past prime by age 28 (physically)
    2. Hamed was actually in his physical prime, but physical prime is not 'overall' prime.
    Well it didn't turn around for Hamed because Hamed is more than just a boxer, he's a human being and each to their own. Regardless, it also doesn't change the fact that he didn't have the heart and all of the points I mentioned together, in the previous long post.
    Learn to comprehend.
     
  14. Gannicus

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    'Thread Stealer' obviously hasn't watched Hamed's career intently enough.
    The overwhelming majority of the knockdowns were balance knockdowns. Even if he wasn't knocked down, post-Ingle he always found himself in compromising positioning, even if he had an easier time against the fighter. He just wasn't all there anymore.
    GGG is fundamentally sound, and that explains why Hamed is a hall of famer - he broke so many rules in the book and had his own unique style, and yet still he managed to become an elite boxer.
    Kelley was a very good fighter, he was P4P level at the time. Golovkin doesn't have that.

    Anyway, Manny Steward on Hamed's punching power: 'He's P4P the hardest puncher I've ever trained, he hits like a middleweight'. (Steward trained Hearns, Wlad etc.).
     
  15. Jake LaMotta

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    Morales beat Manny aged 28....yet he was past his prime? And anyway Morales was a guy who started professional boxing at an extremely early age and like all Mexicans was involved in several brutal wars....but yah point being arguably his best win came at 28....he wasn't past prime.

    Physical>Mental...the mental can be solved in 99% of cases, the physical cannot...Naz had the physical, and although he was a unique boxer he wasn't a unique snowflake in terms of mentality....he wasn't some autistic dude.

    But thanks for calling me a dumbass, nice to see you showing your true colors :good