Lloyd Marshall's Opinion Of Lamotta.

Marshall had some good wins for sure. Like a lot of good fighters he peaked during war when the titles were frozen. Later Don C0ckell knocked marshall out in one round.

 

WW2 goes a long way in explaining why so many good fighters of that era did not get title shots.

Lloyd Marshall is an ATG.

 

Gotta admitt I've never been overly impressed watching films of Jake.
I don't have him in my MW top 10

 

Yes the frozen titles goes a long way explaning the Black murderers row quite a bit. A lot of those guys built up a lot of seasoning fighting each other over and over. Treading water. With nothing at stake and with nowhere to go (since the titles were frozen) I often wonder if to stay busy a lot of these fights were friendly encounters, a "gee up" to use an old expression. It explains why Moore hated Bivins so much. Supposedly Bivins needlessly hurt somebody on the circuit who Moore and the others needed to fight in order to stay busy. And that caused a bitter rivalry between them.

 

Name me 10 middleweights you rank over him?

 

Yes Lloyd Marshall is a phenomenal fighter :good

At least jake had the ***** to get in the ring with him and take his beating like a man, unlike a lot of other white fighters of he era

Think Zale or graziano would have gotten in the ring with Marshall?

Lamotta was a true great

 

I have a Ring Magazine special issue interview with jake lamotta taken about 5-10 years ago, and he talked about how He wish he was given more credit for being the only white fighter of that era along with his friend joey maxim for taking on the top black fighters of there era. He also claims he feared no one and would have fought anyone at any time.

Ill post the article, lamotta was fearless

 

Off the top of my head I'll go with these Champions
Greb
Monzon
Hagler
Robinson
Steele
Walker
Hopkins
Giargello
Griffith
Tiger
I'm open to changes this is off the top of my head while I'm on break.
I've only mentioned Champions

 

Just to stir things up Jake won the 9th and the 10th on the AP scorecards and returned to NYC claiming a KO was his had the bout gone a couple more rounds.

 

Iirc, was Lloyd Marshall the fighter who beat around 10/11? fighters who were either former champions, or would go on to be a champ? I remember reading an article about him a number of years ago, stating the title shot that never happened.

 

That's a good list

Can't complain

I think lamotta belongs but your list is nice except your glaring omission of ketchel

 

Besides a big punch I don't c anything about Ketchel that really impresses me. I'm sure I'm in the minority here but he just doesn't capture my attention.

 

No film of him at his best. look at who he beat at 160 though and how he beat them. Clearly he had more than just his power

 

Basing opinions of LaMotta on the films is deceptive as LaMotta was on the slide by the time he got his title shot. I have his home movies that came from Joey and he looks a lot more impressive as a young guy coming up.