Harry Greb-Walker film 1978?

All right. I'll some ( not all nine ) of the the names, and expect a certain someone to beg for help!

The following people have seen the film and thing its Greb and put their names on it saying its Greb.

They are:

Film collector Mitch Levin ( He has a large collection )
Writer and historian Mike Silver
Writer and Historian Douglas Cavanaugh

More work is being done....

There you have it.
9 say its real.
1 who has not said if he saw it our not ( Klompton ) screams fake.

 

Then you are mistaken as when it rains, the sky darkens. Also the age of the film and the lighting of the event are in play.

 

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I wont even address Mendoza's moronic claim that the rain made the film darker so that somehow a fight that was held at night appears to be daytime in the film. Only in his world would that argument make sense.
Then you are mistaken as when it rains, the sky darkens. Also the age of the film and the lighting of the event are in play.
I would have thought it would be as clear as night and day.......

 

Alrighty then, it happened at night. Strike the rain comment!

How does Klompton know if the film is day or night? When did he see it? Who showed it to him?

Until he clearly answerers these questions, how can we be sure he saw it?

 

Mike Silver is the person I quoted above who said he believed it was Greb because thats how he imagined Greb to look.

Doug, thought it was Greb? Thats news to me because Doug came to me asking my opinion and was the one who relayed the email detailing Silver's comments. He said to me that he didnt really feel comfortable making a determination and had no idea why anyone approached him. He posts here as SurfBat so Im sure he can shed more light on this.

 

Are you going to sit here and try to tell me that that film was at night time?? GTFO. Look at every outdoor nightfilm from that point well through the 1950s and you will see that film is far too bright to be a nightfilm. Give it up. That is not Greb-Gans.

And to answer your question nobody had to show me that film. It was in my collection long before Kurt was trying to pretend it was first Greb-Tate and the Greb-Gans. It appears as an unidentified training film on a vhs tape that circulated years ago which was full of training footage. My copy came from Tony Fosco, Tonys copy wasnt a direct film transfer either and likely came from an archive which houses the rest of the footage on the VHS, and was never listed as Greb vs anyone. Just like Dempsey-Tillie Kid Herman was never listed as Dempsey vs Greb and just like Dempsey-Malone was never listed as Dempsey Greb. The training footage was primarily consisting of footage from the Joe Louis era. This footage looks like its from that era as well, the mid to late 30s. It also looks like training footage from an unknown camp. It runs fairly short and has no titles associated with it. Its also clearly at daytime, which you can easily see from the screenshots. A supposed forensic expert would be able to tell this by the shadows alone. If you look at any film of a nightime fight from that era you will see either minimal shadows (because the ring lights necessary for filming are directly overhead, or if there are shadows they are usually short or in a star shaped pattern (because they are cast from several lights directly overhead). If you look at the shadows in this film they are long and only in one direction. Meaning one light source, i.e. the sun. If there were only one light source at a night time fight to cast a shadow like this it would be A. a spotlight (which this isnt) or wouldnt be bright enough for filming. You talk to anyone who knows anything about film. Who REALLY knows about film and not just someone who WATCHES film and he will tell you that that film is clearly shot at daytime, not at night. If Ive said anything incorrect about this then I challenge Kurt or anyone else to refute with something different.

 

All right. I'll some ( not all nine ) of the the names, and expect a certain someone to beg for help!

The following people have seen the film and thing its Greb and put their names on it saying its Greb.

They are:

Film collector Mitch Levin ( He has a large collection )
Writer and historian Mike Silver
Writer and Historian Douglas Cavanaugh

More work is being done....

There you have it.
9 say its real.
1 who has not said if he saw it our not ( Klompton ) screams fake.

You had to wait for me to list names. It seems like your holding back information.... And there are more than you know who have seen it.

Okay, let's wait for Surfbat to reply.

Until then I have not read when you saw the film and who showed it to you? Is this really a hard question to Answer?!

 

The other two who positively identified it were Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles (brother of Ezzard) both famous in the boxing world due to their singing of anthems at big fights.

 

You are a newbie with an agenda. I typically ignore those types.

I have noticed you said:

Yeah that was Ray Charles card too.

GTFO! DQ'd you are. Ali beat Frazier in the FOTC. ?

 

At the present time we can't be sure anyone has seen the real Greb v Gans fight! Not a shred of proof has been provided! Why no identifying number from the film so it can be dated? Why no stills taken from the film?

 

Youre right, I didnt name any names because it wasnt my place to embarrass those people by name. I did however quote directly from an email sent to me by Doug which in turn quoted Mike Silver. I didnt have to wait for you because you are late to the party as usual. I have been exposing this fraud for what he is for years. Just like when he made his "clerical" error and called it Greb-Tate and kept it that way for months until I called him out on it and then he changed it to Greb-Gans. You can see the timeline here:

[url]http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=153009[/url]

Scroll down to the middle of the thread to see when he started posting that as Greb-Tate and then see when he actually changed it.

 

Hi 'Doza. Who told you that? I've never put my name on any such thing and really have no clue.

Klompton has forgotten more about fight film collection, identification and preservation than I ever knew or will know. His discovery of a lost Jimmy Clabby film (among others) showed me that lost treasures are still out there waiting to be found and that miracles can happen. So I'll defer to him on this 100%.

 

Just for the record I didnt technically "discover" the Clabby film. I just purchased it. Someone else discovered it. However he had misidentified it. I identified it and transferred it one frame at a time over about 6 months because the film itself was originally so damaged and so shrunken that it would not go through a professional machine designed to transfer such films. Now we have a completely preserved HD version of the film (which was actually three films that Clabby had combined into one and brought back to the USA, they were Pathe newsreels of 1. He, Johnny Thompson, and Ray Bronson running and posing at Botany Bay, 2. His fight with Gus Dewitt, and 3. Him sparring and training in early 1911 with guys like Ray Bronson and even championship Sculler **** Arnst).

 

You know its funny sitting here watching you make an ass of yourself by talking **** to downgoeslyle. Ive known him for 15 years and hes one of the few people in the boxing film world I trust beyond all questions. Without going into too much detail because he obviously likes to keep to himself (which I appreciate) he has made more discoveries, and done more for the preservation of the sports history than Kurt ever imagined he had done in his tiny little mind. DGL doesnt need to take a back seat to anyone, including myself, when it comes to any credit due him. Your asinine rants just make you look moronic if you knew more about him.

 

If it was anyone else I'd say Mendoza has permanently damaged his credibility but that is impossible.You can't damage what you never had. I remember Kevin Smith making a rare appearance on this forum, he did so only to admonish Mendoza for putting words in his mouth he had not spoken. History repeats itself?