Is Andre Ward a HOFer ?

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  1. punisher

    punisher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes. Styles make fights and what we know about the styles of all these guys is Ward likely beats them all, but, probably doesn't stop any of them. Froch gave Groves an immediate rematch because the fight was controversial and obviously sold well. He was in no position to "offer" Ward anything. He lost clearly to Ward. That would be like Bute "offering" Froch a rematch in Montreal. [emoji2] Money is very important. But, there is something called legacy that is just as important.
     
  2. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    You trying' to tell us you're more of a widower than a cuckold, Herol ?: :D
     
  3. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Kessler's a maybe, Rummy. I'd lean against it.

    Froch is a no no.
     
  4. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    I strongly disagree on this (and my objection has nothing at all to do with actual merit, where I'm not sure of an exact standard myself).

    I think they both get in, first ballot, political reasons if nothing else. I especially believe Froch is a shoe-in. The IBHOF is a small place, and not a true museum in the sense that Cooperstown is. They have one big weekend a year - induction weekend - and they only get a few thousand there, even then. (I don't know any actual official numbers on this, but during my one visit about 7 years ago, an employee there told me they usually get 2-3 thousand - those numbers could be total bunk).

    Someone like Froch will get in, if for no other reason, then I imagine he'd add a little culture to induction ceremony.

    I could be wrong, but I don't think the IBHOF is particularly picky. Some guys get in on merit, others on popularity. And Froch is the kind of guy I think you can make a strong case for with either criteria.
     
  5. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    :good Ward, Froch and Kessler all should definitely get in.
     
  6. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    You may be right.

    But i have to disagree.

    Chis Eubank, Nigel Benn, and Prince Naseem have not made it and are probably not going to. And they were all mor HOF worthy than Froch.

    As I said, Ward is borderline and still has time. Not so for Carl.
     
  7. Nopporn

    Nopporn Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He does not deserve it.
     
  8. Doc Everlast

    Doc Everlast Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    They all will.I wouldn't be surprised if they induct Kessler and Froch in the same year.
     
  9. Rumsfeld

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    They'll probably embrace and get along splendidly as they bad-mouth Ward together.

    :smoke
     
  10. Doc Everlast

    Doc Everlast Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    lol
     
  11. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    You bring up an interesting point and fair observation. Hamed is in, though. I believe he was the class that just was inducted a few months back? Pretty sure Hamed is in.

    As for Benn and Eubank, I think they may have suffered from being British before it became "trendy" to be British, if you get my meaning?

    In any case, I confess I'm not well enough versed on Benn or Eubank to make an informed opinion on how strong their cases are.

    But I maintain that Froch is a shoe-in, even if those blokes are more deserving than him. Froch got a lot of big time US exposure (as far as British fighters in that weight range go), and the IBHOF would love nothing more than to lure over some of those 80,000 to help celebrate Froch's induction. They won't be able to resist letting him, deserving or not.

    And since I view things based on how I think the IBHOF does, I have always figured Froch was a shoe-in after beating Bute, Kessler 2, and the exciting encounters with Groves. Solid following for the Super 6 runner-up, and HOF worthy in my eyes.

    I'd vote for Froch in a heartbeat, if I had any say.
     
  12. Doc Everlast

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    Eubank isn't getting in.
     
  13. Brighton bomber

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    True, despite a lengthy reign and some good wins over Benn, Watson and Rochigianni he suffers from not fighting in the US as a champion, never beating a popular US fighter and fighting in an era where European world champions were deemed inferior to US champions with world titles.

    Benn for me should be in the HOF. 2 weight world champ, including a major title unlike Eubank's derided WBO belt. Fought in the US, beat US fighters like Barkley, DeWitt and McClellan, was WBC super middleweight champion for 4 years. But once again being European in and era where being European meant you were automatically not highly regarded.

    Darius Michalczeweski should also be in the HOF. 2 weight world champion, linear champion, unified titles, long reign yet 10 years since his last fight and he's still not inducted. Unlike Virgil Hill who just like DM was a 2 weight, world champion, unified titles, long reign was a first ballot inductee. DM beat Hill when they fought yet Hill gets in at the first opportunity while DM is still waiting and will likely never be inducted.
     
  14. Rumsfeld

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    :good

    That's kind of what I was trying to get at earlier when I said, "As for Benn and Eubank, I think they may have suffered from being British before it became "trendy" to be British, if you get my meaning?"

    DM definitely deserves to be in IMO, and I imagine he probably will be sooner or later.
     
  15. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Apologies, the prince is indeed in.


    But not Benn nor Eubank and both are more deserving than Froch.

    Froch lacks a single HOF win.

    His best scalp was Kessler, but that was after losing to him when they were both closer to prime.