Groves chin and stamina issues

Rewatched the fight, it's definitely Groves chin and stamina that lets him down. He recovered well to win rounds after the knockdown but ultimately he probably would have won if not for the 10-8 round and slowing down after round 8.

Disappointing really for a fighter with his skill.

 

Yeah I had Groves up by 1 round, but like I've already said you can't complain with the decision... as the away fighter he simply didn't rip the title away from Jack.

There were a lot of close rounds.

 

I dont disagree.
I wasnt complaining about the decision, there were many very close rounds.

What I do think is that SMW is not a strong division and hasnt been for many years, but think the S6 created an interest and in my opinion a false belief in the division when it has seemed a bit of a recycled division

 

I was gutted for Groves last night, he really did give it everything he had, struggled around the 8th or 9th and looked totally knackered but dug in and went again.

But something looks like it's missing, it could just be a confidence issue after the two Froch fights and last night wouldn't have helped if it was.

The shots that put him down in the first round didn't look thunderous and he took better shots later. It isn't a good sign, you could say he got caught cold but it is an issue that keeps popping up.

I am not 100% convinced Groves has a stamina issue, I believe there is a possibility he can't pace a fight, Groves loads up with his bursts of punches and instead of moving his opponent around he is the one constantly moving in and out of range.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a change of trainer now, he has had 3 world title fights with Paddy and lost them all, how many more world title shots will he get?

 

I'm not convinced he has any stamina or chin issues.

He was caught cold with a very good shot that landed on/near the temple, the punch would most probably have had a similar effect on most fighters in the division.

With regards to the stamina issues, i just think his style of fighting is very high energy, he's constantly moving his feet and torso, and seems to put everything into his punches.

Groves problem imo is one of confidence, he fed off the KD and subsequent success against Froch in the first fight, whereas last night i honestly believe that Groves thought he was going to get Jack out of there in the first few rounds. When he was dropped, and realised Jack could hurt him, he changed his gameplan, and started to fight far more conservatively.

I had Groves winning by a couple of rounds, several rounds were very close, but he threw more and landed the better shots over the course of the fight, he hurt Jack everytime he landed cleanly with the right hand, which wasn't often enough.

Had groves not been dropped and stunned in the opener, i think it would of been a very different fight.

 

it really is irrefutable

chin issues

stanima issues


now all them fans calling for frochs retirement after the first fight must no sure hold the same candle of thought for groves surely :think

 

I felt Groves was doing all of the moving which I thought looked tiring

 

How is there a chin issue he was caught on the temple last night and went down,when he was hit on the chin he absorbed the punches well.I think many posters have it spot on with his stamina it is the way he fights that is the problem if he was a little more conservative stamina wouldn`t be an issue.I thought the 115-113 and 113-114 scorecards were fair the 116-111 score was a disgrace and once again puts the sport of boxing in a bad light.

 

In his last 5 fights he's been stopped twice and ate the canvas last night, that's quite clearly chin issues.

Also it's pretty clear that after round 7-8 he gasses and fights at no where near the same level as he does for the first 6 rounds.

To say he hasn't got chin and stamina issues is having the blinkers on.

 

can we just forget about groves now? an average fighter and an utter cretin of a human being

 

He'll back don't worry and all you haters will be praising him... Badou Jack is probably the 2d best super middle and Groves on his worst day gave him a real close fight couldve gone either way

 

I thought the commentary didn't do Groves justice either. Gutted for him, I thought he just did enough.

 

poor chin, poor stamina, poor trainer
Hes damaged goods thanks to the british ATG Carl Froch.

 

Fans tend to call for 'change of trainer' much too frequently and usually without much thought or real knowledge... but in this case I'd suggest it. Groves is, as you say, 0 from 3 in world title fights and the auto-suggestion of such a track record alone will now be quite powerful. Whatever 'it' is... it's not quite working.

I said it on another thread earlier, I think Groves is just one of those fighters who really telegraphs tiredness and the signs of 'being in battle'. He's all limbs and looping shots and flailing head when in later stages of the fight - it makes him seem disorganized when under fire to viewers and judges alike. Coupled with a light, gingery complexion that bruises and reddens easily... the overall impression is one of vulnerability when fatigue sets in. When in that state, even arm punches from an opponent can look like damaging shots, even if they are not really causing punishment.

Jack is actually a reasonably good example of the opposite - despite the fatigue he'll have a poker face from first to last, his complexion (clearly) means reddening or swelling tougher to spot. Even when under fire the guard is up and movement in and out is in straight lines. It just makes the success of an opponent a little harder to spot in a clear way.

The early stoppage in Froch 1 was partially due to that, in my opinion.

 

Groves isn't a 12 round fighter at elite level, that has been proven again.