Ali vs Tyson

Ali can't avoid a left hook to save his life. Tyson easily wins.

 

If Tyson doesn't get to him and hurt him in the first couple of rounds (which is possible), I see the flight slipping away from him. Might sound strange to put it this way but if nothing else Ali was a faster, taller, far more skilled, harder-hitting version of Tillis. Tyson either gets a very early stoppage or loses a lopsided decision (or possible late stoppage).

 

Tyson had little problems with tillis,Ali would also force a k.o on himself,tyson a year later literally clowned Tillis in an exhibition fight a year later.

 

Pity Tyson tended to rely more on uppercuts and right hands...and tended to be open for uppercuts himself.

Ali rises to the occasion when presented with a grave challenge (like he did against Liston, and later against Foreman) and stops Tyson late. He might get stung early, but his survival and recovery instincts tended to be on point in those situations.

 

I cant see Tyson stopping ali, hes simply not stopped by even the best.

If its going to points, ali has the equipment to overcome an early knockdown to shave a SD points victory.

 

Ali did not have a big enough uppercut to hurt Tyson. Tyson had a quicker left hook than Frazier and Ali never in his entire career learned how to properly stop a left hook especially in the exchanges and close quarters.

Tyson didn't rely on any particular punch

 

You're a perfect example of the majority who don't know what there talking about and a prime example of proof you do not actually watch the fights and just say Ali and think its not debatable...Tyson has a series reel of left hook knockouts...most notable one were ,Williams/Tubbs and Biggs,who resemlembed Ali the most who he fought,s.his Left hook is easily top 3 of all time and is better than Fraziers because its faster and more compact ,and thru it at any side from left to right.

Ali hardly ever used the uppercut and wasn't really effective with it,what does that have to do with the match up?:-(

 

Tyson generally relied far more on his right hand than his left throughout his career. Even in close, he'd switch southpaw to throw the uppercut combo using the right hand. And his hook tended to be a bit wider than Frazier's, in spite of it being delivered more quickly. It's an easier punch for someone like Ali to avoid. Ali could avoid wide-angle hooks pretty well, based on how he was able to nullify Patterson and Quarry's hooks in their fights.

Plus, he hits hard enough, and disguises his punches well enough to stop Tyson in his tracks and eventually hurt him, I think.

We clearly aren't going to agree, but I've got Ali to win this pretty clearly.

 

Also, alis tendency to lazily hold would be devastating against Tyson. Imagine if you will a Frazier who could throw an uppercut.

 

Tyson bc of the left hook and Ali's lack of defense for it. I do think it would go the distance with lots of clinching though.

 

I was just going to post that to you,but you beat me to it.:good

 

I love Ali and he is perhaps the greatest hw of all time but Tyson is all wrong for him. Ali is greater than Tyson of course but this is alis h2h cryptonite

 

Tyson scored some nice KO's with the left hook (Biggs was indeed hooked into oblivion...though it took seven rounds to do it against an Ali clone with half the speed, skill and accuracy), but even his best hooking exhibitions saw him using it sparingly and not really doubling up on it.

I think if he jabs as well as he did against Spinks, he'd have a shot to set up that punch...but that's easier said than done against a fighter who was good at finding different ways of nullifying the jab.

Again, just my opinion.

 

I am a big Ali fan and my default position is that He would beat Tyson every day of the week. I have given it some thought however and looked at it from both sides. The 1988 Tyson was a fearsome proposition and if Ali took liberties or got sloppy he could have been in big trouble. Certainly a 1988 vintage Tyson would have been the most dangerous opponent Ali would have faced by 1967. Taking everything into consideration however I still cannot see Tyson Winning. The sixties Ali had amazing reflexes and he didn't take too many clean shots. That came later in the seventies after the enforced lay off when he couldn't move so well and stood in front of his opponents more. Ali also had one of the best chins in history. The left hook frazier decked him with in 1971 would have knocked out most people, particularly as it came in the 15th, but Ali was up at three and survived the round. He had great stamina, courage in abundance and he could also make adjustments during a fight and find a way to win. Tyson only had plan A and if that didn't work he was lost. Tyson won a lot of his fights by intimidation (Spinks looked terrified) but he wouldn't have intimidated Ali. Tyson, even up to 1988, had problems with durable fighters who had boxing skills. I'm sure we would all agree that Ali was on a vastly different level to James Tillis and Tony Tucker. I believe that after a fast start by Tyson and maybe a few hairy moments for Ali, he would systematically wear Tyson down and stop him around the 10th round.

 

Ali however if Tyson hits him, there is a high chance Ali will go down because out of Ali and Tyson (with the catskill crowd) in their primes, Ali has touched the mat twice and Ali never faced a finisher like Tyson.

I agree though if the match goes beyond the first 5-6 rounds, i will favor Ali but i think Ali will UD him, i don't see Ali getting any knock out against Tyson.