Every time a fighter takes a beating and is outclassed they are brave and heroic

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  1. DoubleEdge

    DoubleEdge The king of Kings banned

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    Every time a british fighter takes a beating, fanboys of said fighter alike say they are warriors, heroes and brave.

    When in actual fact these are clever euphemisms for punchbag, corpses, limited fighter and basically a bum.

    Let me tell you something; when your fighters is getting beaten black and blue and not fighting back, then they're are a fcking punchbag, not some hero, or some super warrior soldier

    The real heroes are the troops out there defending our freedoms, not some bum looking for a quick payday over 36 minutes.
     
  2. nick1204

    nick1204 Member Full Member

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    I agree.

    They've done well to last 12 but I would go as fair as to say words like 'brave' or 'warrior'
     
  3. Camaris

    Camaris Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I see what you're going for here, but I'd say this: people like or love boxing precisely because it does involve fighters displaying courage, bravery, dedication to a 'lost cause' at times and honour amongst participants.

    I suppose it's possible to watch the sport without ever considering those qualities.....But,then, you wind up with a thread like this one. Two posts by barely literate, spasticated failures like yourselves making cheap 'points' in remedial language. Hey ho.

    I suppose you are jabbering on about Buglioni. He went 12 rounds of pain in a fight he wasn't supposed to win. Is he mayweather? No. He's a person trying to make a living from the sport, and yesterday he earned that living in terms of what he brought to the ring.
     
  4. Robney

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    I thought the bug-lion was very brave and heroic last night. The only round he wasn't brave and heroic in was when he "didin't hear the bell" according to the commentators, but for the rest of the 11 rounds he was very brave and very heroic.
    In boxing it's custom to get 4 points for being brave and 5 for heroism in a round.

    R1 ) Chudinov 10, Bug Lion brave and heroic
    R2 ) Chudinov 10, Bug Lion brave and heroic
    R3 ) Chudinov 10, Bug Lion brave and heroic
    R4 ) Chudinov 10, Bug Lion brave and heroic
    R5 ) Chudinov 10, Bug Lion brave and heroic
    R6 ) Chudinov 10, Bug Lion 7 after deduction (not brave and heroic)
    R7 ) Chudinov 10, Bug Lion brave and heroic
    R8 ) Chudinov 10, Bug Lion brave and heroic
    R9 ) Chudinov 10, Bug Lion brave and heroic
    R10) Chudinov 10, Bug Lion brave and heroic
    R11) Chudinov 10, Bug Lion brave and heroic
    R12) Chudinov 10, Bug Lion brave and heroic

    Final score Chudinov 12x10=120 vs Bug Lion 1x7+11x4+11x5=106
     
  5. rowedav

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    I thought it was getting hard to watch. He was knackered by round 7 or 8. Totally exhausted. I was thinking the corner should have been thinking of pulling him out for his own good. I know it's a title fight but you don't want any long term damage and I could see him collapsing or something after the fight. Glad I was wrong.
     
  6. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm just glad Jones got one over Collins.
     
  7. Stuart_NI

    Stuart_NI New Member Full Member

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    When Paul Smith fought Ward people didnt say he was a hero, warrior or brave instead they said he was an overweight bum.
     
  8. hitandhope

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    Yes, I was dreading a spectacular KO on top of all that damage. His corner were very courageous...

    Of course Frank was brave and a warrior last night. And he fought back every round, could hardly hold his hands up the last four or five. I wouldn't say hero, shouldn't use that word lightly.
     
  9. im sparticus

    im sparticus There Ye Go. Full Member

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    I agree with you. I was suprised how quickly he faded to be honest. I know that the style he fought out of commands a lot of energy and you need a good engine and conditioning to fight that way but the way the commentaters were describing how proffesional and gruelling his camp was with the collins i wad suprised how early and quick he started to lose steam.
    There was also that point for me where i was thinking maybe he should be pulled out. But its now turned out for the better that he wasnt

    Frank certainly showed gameness in there last night no one can doubt that
     
  10. Marv888

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    Bull isnt it, perfect example is that bum coyle from hull
     
  11. saturday_kid

    saturday_kid Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In some cases yes. But last night Buglioni was brave, and showed real heart - he was done in from about round 7, but kept coming back and throwing
     
  12. Unforgiven

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    No, by the very same reasoning as you use against boxers, even the concept of "battlefield hero" has been devalued.

    These days, some poor guy gets stabbed up in the street for being a soldier and the media call him a "hero", when actually he was a murder victim.
    Or a soldier is sent to a some trouble spot and gets his leg blown off driving into a roadside bomb, of course that's unfortunate but not heroic.

    A battlefield hero used to be a soldier who risks himself beyond the call of duty, taking the fight to the enemy, putting in work above and beyond what is expected of the average soldier, taking out plenty of enemy and saving comrades in the process.

    Nowadays anyone who gets blown up, stabbed or beheaded is called a hero. Even the guys who go out, doing nothing and come home unscathed are being called heroes !
    It's not heroic at all. There has to be some sort of return to make it heroic, and some sort of heroic intention. Something worthwhile, not just signing up and getting splattered.
     
  13. DoubleEdge

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    It's all about intention;

    The decision by most men to join the arm forces, is that of sacrifice and desire to serve and protect country.

    Not for monetary gain via the easiest and quickest route.

    So whether or not they succumb to defeat through a quick death is arbitrary and cannot be compared to the layman who is walking the street going by their business or a boxer entering the ring for his own

    Going to war isn't anything like Call of Duty Advanced Warfare or Saving Private Ryan where johnny walks away from a blast that he set off to kill all of the enemies that were in front line position, while carrying two his own injured solidiers over his arms .

    Then returns home to his wife and kids who are waiting for him.

    This is real fcking life, and many soliders come home with no limbs, no money and a cheating wife.

    Yet their efforst still made a difference on that battlefield, whether it be making up numbers, firing on the front line, helping out with medical, or patrol duties.

    They make the difference and they are the true heroes, not boxers like Buglioni, Paul Smith and Martin Murray who get in the ring to take a beating for less than an hour for million pounds at the end of it.
     
  14. Solarse

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    kind of see what your saying but why pick on boxers...what about the 10's of thousands who are unemployed and are wasters
     
  15. TBooze

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    You do know what a 'bum' in a boxing context means?

    Are you really suggesting these fighters came 'off the street' and fought a world champion on debut? If so, where is your evidence?