What crack are you smoking, all your doing is making excuses. Ray last fought at welter vs Bruce finch -147, before Hagler. Whether he struggled or not he made weight. Leonard had a detached retina which had him out for 5 years with one fight/ noons said during the fight his retina was detached, he would not have been medically cleared. Jesus bro. Where are coming up with this stuff. Haglet was not weight drained he was a Normal middle . Tell me when he ever fight 161 or above. Kalule was previously a welter "moved up'. Was the 154 champion. Where do you get your bs. Duran - fought every single fight within 5 months or less of the previous one. Not Leonard's faukth that this time he 'may' have ignored a major basic principle of the fight game. You know the weight limit, you know the date, in fact you did it 73 times before, and you were 10 fights in to the bigger weight class. 147. No excuses. Plus like the pacman excuse of shoulder injury vs mayweather, mighty funny no one saw it during the fight not was their ever any recorded evidence of Duran and corner discussing it. In fact ray Arceo said immediately after, he was never told anything about cramps. Learn the facts. I got the video for you if you want it. Howard cosell commentary. Hearns -32 fights at welter - 30 ko's. Was wba Welterweight champion and you want to whin that he was weight drained to make the limit for the weight class he was champion at .. Really . Get the fO... Learn the sport Benitez, - was previously jr welter champion, just moved up to welter best palomino at welter just earlier that year. So you want to say that he was weight drained to face Leonard. Not one of these fights was made at any catch weight , they all were made at the limit the fighter was the champion at. Lalonde was the catch weight fight and notice I never reference that fight. May do you some good to learn the sport and the facts.
Each fighter weighed in AT not below but AT the weight limit for the championship fight that THEY not Leonard had the belt at. Let me clarify or put in boxing made for dummies terms. The fighter Benitez, Duran, Hagler, Kalule, hearns all had won the championship belt at the weight limit of the fight that they faced others fighters previously for and beat to earn their greatness and a previous champion at that respective weight class recently to win that specific belt that was on the line in the Leonard fight. The weight limit did not drop over night or since they won the belt. Each weight limit was the same before each won their title, and for the Leonard fight. In others words you don't know what the hell your talking about. Case closed. Learn the facts
The dumbest posts ever are the ones written by Pacturds and Leonard fanboys who conveniently leave out any facts and stats that make their heroes resume's look questionable. For instance of the 8 fights Duran had above 135 prior to facing Leonard only one was scheduled for 12 rounds, the rest were 10 rounders. Hardly a sign of confidence at the higher weight for a guy that had been defending his Lightweight title in 15 round fights for the previous 6 years. Mugabi was having his first title shot after 25 fights against Hagler who was defending his Middleweight title for the 13th time out of 66 fights. Apart from that Leonards big wins aside from Benitez, were all with stips whether they were weight stips, time, ring size, choice of judges, or ref's. This is not a problem, Pac has made a higher weight career out of it. The problem is their respective fanboys don't put these " wins " in their proper perspectives.
Let's see here- we are talking to a complete idiot Durand 8 fights Prior at welter were not championship caliber fights were they? All fights in 1980 for a belt went 15 rounds. Learn the sport What does Mugabi who was 154 pound undefeated champion 25-0 25 ko's have to do with Hagler -SRL. Hagler stopped him, Leonard saw he could outbox at 32 yr old Hagler who by the way had the same issue the last 5 rounds vs antefermo and boxing vs Duran. But again what was your point cuz you failed to make any? So enlighten us on the stipulations vs Duran, Benitez, hearns and Hagler, Kalule Please - I can't wait to here sometime like Leonard asks the fight to be with boxing gloves on, or that Hagler fight as a middleweight, or that hearns could not come in to a welterweight fight at 190. You guys are jokes and do not even know the sports or the facts .. Hilarious.
To even suggest Leonard dictated wrongfully a 15 round championship fight with Duran in 1980 shows the person has no clue
So ???? Before you post research. Out of 65 fights or so only 12-15 were tithe fights. Let me help you - title fights in 1980 all were for 15 rounds. It did not happen until later that 12 rounds title fights were permitted. So it was not a SRL thing or his asking, is was the accepted policy for all at the time. The 8 round fights your referring to were not for title fights. Both of their fights in 1980 was for a title . Research is available you know
Just to help - the wbc shortened their title fights in 1982, the wba in '87 and the ibf in ''88, and when the wbo started in '88/'89 they started with 12 round title fights." Initially the 15 to 12 change could be negotiated which was the case in the Hagler fight. However to debunk the coming bs statements that Leonard asked Hagler to agree to something unusual simple research shows most of Haglers title fights in his last 4 years were 12 rounds which is exactly what their fight was. Next
1987 Leonard loses to Nigel Benn. Even though I had Leonard beating Hagler , it wasn't because ray was so much a great middleweight it's because of 3 things that night. Hagler fighting orthodox and very little pressure spotted Leonard 4 rounds. Tough hole to overcome in a 12 round fight especially when there were no 10-8 rounds. 2ndly - Duran showed ray the blue print on fighting Hagler. Make him Lead. Hagler much more powerful faster and effective Inside and countering with shorter hooks uppercuts and crosses. Leonard tied up on the inside and pivoted to the middle which is what a boxer is taught to do, on the outside he watched Hagler right foot. Hagler always steps ( so does many others including pacman who jmm watch and studied his double tap with his feet then lunge move) first then throws when he is forced to lead. Leonard's lateral movement watching that lead foot made Haglers punches longer in arc and much slower to the target with less impact. This made it appear Hagler was faded, it was strategy and lateral movement ala ali Liston ,Leonard Duran 2, jones Toney. Lateral movement if ring isn't cut off effectively is great tool vs fighters like Hagler who follow. All you have to do is tie up on the inside, get back out to middle of ring. Why no consistent pressure from Hagler including punishing body shots is the dumbest move ever. I don't see that version of Leonard beating Hagler if Hagler went right after Ray. Fast forward to Benn vs Ray , peak Ray probably wins as he easily outboxes him. But Ray liked to exchange and usually gets caught in his fights with hard rights . He was able to take them but at middle vs Benn I don't think he would last if he got repeatedly hit. Hagler nevet truly caught Ray. Was all over him. Benn would swarm . Ray was not a great middle. So I give many middles the edge. There is a couple of jr middle that I would have beating him, simply because of his tendency to get caught by rights. Julian Jackson would be a nightmare for Ray. If he landed it would be lights out. Jr middle version of hearns would be a tough fight. The body snatcher. Leonard could outbox all but hearns ( due to reach ) but I have them at 154 being too much for Ray.
U go2 correct urself regarding ur below comments 2: U claimed that he was a welterweight with a detached retina, did not u? IDK if hi woz dreind or not vs Leonard, bat hi woz e tiny MW wich woz my response 2ur claim zat Leonard woz e WW fighting e MW. Did u rid z Mogens Palle quotes about Kalule @ 154? Sings laik heving 2 cat e leg from him 2 meik him meik z w8. ....."Kalule was previously a welter "moved up'"..... ????? So Y did hi never f8 @ 147 again ? U cud meik z seim ceis 4 James Toney vs RJJ. I suppose hi woz not dreind either. So Y did hi never f8 @ 147 again ? U cud meik z seim ceis 4 James Toney vs RJJ. I suppose hi woz not dreind either. And was later a super welter champion and even muvd ap hayer 2 160. U cud meik z seim ceis 4 James Toney vs RJJ. I suppose hi woz not dreind either. So Y did hi never f8 @ 147 again ? Really? Because Hearns #2 was, and probably Hearns #1 since Hearns did weigh in @ 145. I did. It was the common case wiz Leonard fighting a w8 drained opponent. What a m0ron if u typed any of zis 5h1t wizaut trying 2 manipul8 eny1.
