Guillermo "El Chacal" Rigondeaux

Arranmcl · Nov 15, 2015

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Oi vei.

Along Denoy? Really? Because he managed to have a close fight with SBJ? (whom you acknowledge was punching well above his grade in his brief fluky stint as world titlist...) Guess what, so did 14-14-3 Gerpaul Valero. So is Valero anything close to world class?

...as for Loreto, yes, I know exactly who Rey is. :roll:

Joyi is a 32 year old former straw. Pretty safe to say he is past his sell-by, and has begun the post-half-life downward spiral after his torch-passing loss to Budler. The fact that Loreto caught him twice consecutively on this spiral doesn't suggest that Loreto is himself among the best @ light fly or close to it. Great champions get old and start losing to mediocre fighters. All too familiar a story. All due respect to Rey, he showed up and took care of business on both occasions and nobody can ever take away from him that he's 2-0 (2) over a respected former champ, but nobody who follows the lighter weights is going to say with a straight face they believe Joyi to still be what he once used to be.

Yes, precisely, for continental (or hell, being generous, even the broader O&P which includes much non-Asian territory) level - which still leaves a sizable chasm to fall hopelessly short of world class, let alone being remotely worthy for a date with a top p4p operator in Rigondeaux.

Denoy, Francisco, Canoy, Loreto, and Jaro are, to a man, solid, respectable game & gutsy journeymen - and yes, that is appropriate usage in every sense of the word. They're of a sort that can make for competitive match-ups at the domestic, greater regional, and even Oriental & Pacific level, with, yes, the potential to catch the odd world class name on a bad night or starting to sour on the vine and score an upset - but that isn't what is being discussed here. We are discussing Guillermo Rigondeaux - he isn't merely world class. He's a top h2h p4p boxer, period. For him any of those names represents a trawl of the absolute bottom of the ocean floor in terms of seeking out competition that can, well, provide him any competition.

Now that isn't to say that Francisco managing to catch him on the chin would be a sign of the apocalypse, or that you could dredge up this post and say "LOOK! You claimed Francisco wasn't on his level!! :tong" and have anything to seriously gloat about. That isn't me hedging, either. That is the nature of Rigondeaux. He is, at his best, head and shoulders above everyone in a rather wide swath of the lower-weight range. He is also capable of fighting down to his opponents' level, which is exactly why seeing him in with someone like a Drian Francisco is so troubling. Not only is this a complete waste of his (and the fans') time when he could be taking on top world ranked super bantams instead, but in the event that Francisco does catch him snoozing at the wheel and score the upset it will be attributable more to Rigondeaux's habitual self-handicapping adjustments than Francisco's quality, and will lead to Rigondeaux being unfairly dismissed as having not been that good, and this is all very avoidable by simply not putting him in with low-caliber opponents.

Throw him in with the best, and he rises to meet the occasion (see Donaire, or Ramos who never has been the same ever since). Put him in with lesser foes, however, and unless he destroys them in a hurry (see Casey or Looknongyangtoy) or settles into a comfortable enough rhythm to stymie them (see Marroquin or Agbeko) he will coast and get a bit disorganized and have scares (see Cordoba or Amagasa) - from which luck and good recovery can only spare him the ignominy of consequential defeat so many times. At his age he needs to be matched with the best so we can see him ply his skills (while they last) against the best and not risk him becoming a Nkosinathi Joyi on the resume of some random Loreto sort.

Did you make the same mistake yourself the other way? :hey
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You have no idea what a journeyman is. Good to see you're still a spastic.

Back to CHB I go. What a ****ing shambolic forum this is.

Arranmcl · Nov 15, 2015

The fact you put Ramos in the same line as Donaire is just hilarious though. You can have as big a post as you want, that was 90% rubbish. You do not know boxing in the way you think you do, stick to RBR's and licking mus**** off your weird nipples.

IntentionalButt · Nov 15, 2015

Scamper on, scamp. :hi:

runner_phob · Nov 15, 2015

CST80 said: ↑

What the hell was Pagara, Servania, Socarras, Wake, Ceja or Guzman doing, I/m sure they'd be available.

Hinata Maruta is facing Jason Canoy the guy that just KO'd Francisco in his first friggin match.
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No decent fighter is available at 1-2 weeks notice. I am not sure why NAC is allowing this fight if they disallowed Ward vs Murdoch.

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