So apparently Wilder wants the winner of Klitschko v Fury instead of Povetkin

It does, of course Klitschko would be a good fight but Wilder is still not REALLY tested and Povetkin would be just such a test, if he beat Povetkin then the Klitschko fight becomes far more glamorous and important for the division so to speak... If he just jumped to Klitschko, well I wouldn't and couldn't have much complaints about that but I'd probably prefer Povetkin first then Klitschko.

 

:nod

 

Put it this way, his last nine opponents before Joe Frazier don't even have wiki pages.

His best three wins prior to Frazier were most likely George Chuvalo, Gregorio Peralta, and Chuck Wepner. Wilder's best three were probably Stiverne, Liakhovich, and Duhaupus. And that's playing devil's advocate assuming the Malik Scott fight was a dive. At the very least, those are comparable, possibly even a little better on Wilder's end. Stiverne and Liakhovich were champion belt holders, questionable ones by belt holders nevertheless. And look what Foreman did to Frazier and what he became.

Plus, Wilder has one more opponent before fighting either Klitschko or Povetkin. If his team is smart, they will get a solid one to prepare him. We will see. Still hoping for Takam or Chisora.

Either way, you just never know and you can't count him out.

 

Wepner in only his 4th fight, Chuvalo and Peralta within his first 22 fights and not much longer than only a year into his career..... In the same amount of time it took Foreman to face Frazier, Wilder had far less fights and was still fighting tomato cans. They are not comparable.

 

Actually, Foreman had 37 fights before Frazier, Wilder will have 36 before he faces Povetkin or Klitschko. One fight difference. The number of years is irrelevant.

And the only reason anyone remembers who Chuck Wepner is is because Sly Stallone was inspired by his performance against Ali to make the Rocky movies, but in reality while it was a gutsy performance it was not as spectacular as it was portrayed. Ali though a great fighter was never a puncher, even glass jawed fighters went the distance with him from time to time. And the famous knockdown in the ninth was actually Wepner stepping on Ali's foot.

Yes their resumes in their first 35 fights or so ARE comparable, if not slightly in favor of Wilder. Your obvious primeval hatred for him doesn't change that.

 

How is that not relevant????? The Fact Foreman fought more often, and fought world class opposition quicker than Wilder did is very relevant.

Listen. Wepner was nothing special, but he was a tough journeyman and EASILY better than anyone on Wilders record until Malik Scott(dubious win at best) Fraudley, and shot white wolf were shot to bits, and didn't bring the toughness and durability that Wepner brought to the table. He was a better test, and Foremans 4th opponent, not his 28th and 29th!

 

The thing is, its not just that you are not sold on Wilder, its that you completely and utterly dismiss him having any chance whatsoever to beat any top fighter like a Povetkin or Klitschko. Largely because of a dubious resume. Not being sold on him because of this is one thing, and its understandable. But to completely write him off as being nothing goes way beyond that, it signifies what almost seems like a personal vendetta.

I gave you another great fighter in Foreman, who also had a very dubious resume prior to fighting his first real test in Frazier, and you frantically are trying to mess up the argument by upgrading his to allegedly be light years better than Wilder's. But if Chuck Wepner is the best argument you got to do that, you are really grasping at straws.

 

Interesting thing about White Wolf being shot, last year he went the distance with a very highly regarded unbeaten young Andy Ruiz.

And no one put him away faster than Wilder either before or afterwards, including Jennings, Briggs, or Brewster (who lost to him.) He was seconds away from beating Briggs. (Not that that would have been amazing, since Briggs after the early 2000's was overweight and past his prime)

He's not an ATG by any stretch of the imagination, but certainly a slightly underrated win for Wilder.

 

White Wolf is clearly shot..... Ruiz is just not that great, Zumbano Love and Godfrey went the distance as well, and they're both journeymen!

Underrated win my ass...... He hasn't been relevant in the division for years, and doesn't have a top 100 win in almost a decade!