If K2 fails with GGG, is the door shut for Asian fighters to make it?

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  1. whytetittie

    whytetittie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If K2 cant sell PPV's with a fighter of GGG's caliber will any promoter try to bring over a central asian fighter to America?
     
  2. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    It's pretty much impossible for an Asian let alone a European to make it as a PPV star in America. Besides Lewis I dont think there was any European that fought in multiple PPV events that sold over like 500k as the favorite. Hatton was on PPV twice but he wasn't a PPV star by any means, and he lost in every American PPV fight.
     
  3. whytetittie

    whytetittie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Canelo is European :grouphug
     
  4. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    If GGG was a white American that talked the same amount of trash and created controversy like Broner, how many PPVs do you think he would sell?
     
  5. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Pac was a genuine PPV star but he benefited from having plenty of competition while moving up the divisions who were draws like Morales, Barrera and then of course the Mayweather fight.

    Lewis also had big American names like Holyfield, Bowe and Tyson that gave him the competition to allow him to grow into an attraction and make good money.

    Problem Golovkin has is that the middleweight division is basically a waste land in terms of talent and fighters who are draws. Only chance he has is to face the winner of Cotto/Canelo but now with Cotto being stripped of the WBC belt he can no longer enforce such a fight. Without this he'll never become a PPV star and even if he does get the fight and wins, then what next, nobody is paying Golovkin millions in PPV to fight an Andy Lee or Peter Quillin.

    So it is possible for a European or Asian to make it big in America but you need the big name opponents, who are established draws to do it. Any fighter in a division devoid of competition or big draws will struggle to become a big earner, which is also what happened to Wlad, once Lewis retired you had nobody that represented a big name opponent and he couldn't fight Vitali, so the money dried up in America.
     
  6. MaliBua

    MaliBua Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This is quite well said brighton bomber.
     
  7. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Problem is in 2015, there are no real big names. Even though Golovkin is in a dog**** division, if he was a WW it really wouldnt matter unless he was fighting Pacquiao. Let's say GGG was a WW, a fight with bradley would do 300k at MOST, it wouldn't exceed Bradley/Marquez, a fight with Thurman/Brook/Porter would do 150-200k. Canelo and Cotto are big names for GGG but they aren't enough to make him a real PPV star IMO, after those 2 fights he'd be selling 150k-300k, I mean Cotto sold 300k against Martinez, and Cotto has been on the PPV scene for over half a decade. He doesn't have what it takes to appeal to casual fans to become a "ppv star". Pacquiao had a HUGE asian community backing him in America, I mean asians LOVE that guy, it's not just the filipinos, GGG is part Asian but he would never get that kind of support. He's also not a trash talker which or creates controversy which casual fans eat up.
     
  8. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    also.. pacquiao moved up several weight classes which boosted his ppv sales. if he stayed at 130 his PPV numbers would have gone back down to like 100-200k even after his fights with barrera and morales. ggg clearly does not want to move up in weight and challenge himself against a Ward, or a Kovalev at 175.
     
  9. fergies formula

    fergies formula New Member Full Member

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    If Canelo wins does he get the WBC title which cotton had stripped? I know the WBC demanded a fight against GGG but now Cotto has been stripped what does this mean about the fight with GGG for both fighters?
     
  10. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Yes, if Canelo wins he gets it, if Cotto wins, he gets nothing.
     
  11. moparfan

    moparfan ESB's glass jawed fraud Full Member

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    Alvarez becomes WBC Champ, and has 15 days to negotiate a deal with GGG...!!!
     
  12. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    moppy how's the leg?
     
  13. T.C.W

    T.C.W Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    he is fighting on HBO and making million plus, it sounds pretty good to me
     
  14. skier47

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    Irrelevant in the sense that boxing is a global sport as Wlad Klitschko pointed out over a decade ago. That guy is not that big in America but is a rock star in Western and Eastern Europe. He sells out soccer stadiums in Germany. Eastern Europeans like Wlad, Kovalov, Usyk and GGG are here to stay and if they don't sell in America they will elsewhere. American fans will need to become less jingoistic and support foreign fighters or settle for less gifted fighters to cheer for who happen to have a U.S. passport.
     
  15. fergies formula

    fergies formula New Member Full Member

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    And if he doesn't agree and negotiate a fight with GGG he will be stripped of the title?

    Oscar De La Hoya has already said he doesnt want that fight for at least 12 months, so that means the title will be vacant?

    Oscar needs to remember that if he wants people to respect him and his philosophy he can't preach one thing and do the complete opposite. It was only last week he slated Mayweather for cherry picking, yet now it seems he wont put his cash cow in against GGG at fear of losing.

    I can't imagine Canelo is going to be happy with losing his belt after just receiving it.