How in the hell is PW the favorite for the Quintana rematch!!???

There are even much better examples than that, this is the year of the upsets! How about Williams/Quintana I (+800 for Quintana), Campbell/Diaz (+450 for Campbell), Vera/Lee (+800 for Vera), etc

 

that title doesnt mean **** and if these belt holders would ve fought the other belt holders we would be watching money vs cotto already but we keep hating on floyd when all these belt holders are trying to keep their belt safe cotto knows that the only way to floyd is thru margo and thats how it should be if paul williams has more time to get down safely and the right way CQ is in trouble. all you none athletes always talk about excuses ."I couldn't get my jab going " reaso or excuse for a lost " those low blows i kept recieving" reason or excuse
While Cq took advantage of being a substitute and shocked williams things will be different .Why do people discount forrest beating baldomir as if vernon is a bum He sure kicked the almighty sugar shanes ass and people forget manny steward made tommy hearns any other trainer might have ruined him

 

its always easy to make a choice as to what are good odds once the fight is over and the next chosen one is put in check

 

I know they adjust the line to try to get even money but what about how they open the betting?

 

Losing the first fight doesn't necessarily make him the underdog, he still has a chance. I'm picking him to win as well.

 

They have to be able to anticipate, to a certain degree, how the public is betting on the fight. The bigger the fight, the more crucial it is for Vegas to be accurate with their opening line. If there is a ton of money that is being put down on the opening line, they could be in trouble if they don't anticipate well enough. Usually, there isn't enough money moved based on that opening line to really make much of a difference.

 

Because People Thought He Looked At It As An Easy Opponent.
So This Time He Will Come Prepared. But I Still See Him Losing
In The Rematch.

 

I'm picking Williams to win the rematch. Williams will come to this next fight more focused and with the proper adjustments to make CQ pay.

 

Since it could/should have been wider, I want you to tell us what can Carlos do different for this fight in case Williams fights differently? Because I guess we all have the perception that Quintana used close to 100% of his potential in finding the right timing and distance to score with left counters and hooks and control the fight from there... If you say that there is more than 50% chances that this will be a carbon copy of the first match, then you rightfully should not consider Williams a favourite ( not even should have considered Quintana a 8/1 underdog before). Happens that there's less than 50% chances that the fight will go the same way... Williams has the reach, the size, the punch output, the skills, the variety, the versatility and the hunger to win a decision ( against Quintana's smarts and known/seen game plan).

 

I don't even think that Paul deserves a rematch. The first fight was so convincing that I don't see any reason to believe taht the second time around will be any different.

 

CQ tapps that ass agian.

 

actually betting odds are a mix of both who the public bets on and who they think will win. Thats why the odds don't open at even odds.

Its alot easier for oddsmakers to determine who they think will win than where the betting public will place their money. Usually the second factor only accounts for slight changes in the betting lines.

Usually the betting public and the oddsmakers think the same person is gonna win.

For example reg, alot more money was placed on Hatton than on PBF when they fought, but the lines were still in favour of Floyd, because oddsmakers knew he would win.

 

I don't know how true that statement is. I've seen plenty of odds open up even. I'm not just talking about boxing either.

This statement is definately off base. If oddsmakers operated like this, they would seriously open themselves up to major losses. The New England Patriots started off as 17 point favorites when they played the Philadelphia Eagles last year. That line jumped up to 24 points in 2 days. The reasons for this(as explained by a Vegas oddsmaker), was because that big money gamblers had runners placing huge bets on the Patriots as soon as the line came out(the Patriots had been easily covering 14 point spreads for weeks). With so much money being put on the Patriots, Vegas had to raise the spread in order to attract money on the Eagles so that they could hedge their bets and not expose themselves to a potential huge loss. So while you say where the betting public places their money only has a slight effect on betting lines, in this case, the line jumped up almost 50% in 2 days because of where gamblers were placing their money

Probably, but the goal of Vegas is to get even money on both sides.

The line was still on Floyd because if the odds ever dipped in Hatton's favor, pretty much everyone including Hatton's mom would've put all their money on Floyd. Floyd started off as an almost 3-1 favorite. He finished a little below 2-1. The biggest swing in the odds occured during the week of the fight when many of Hatton's fans arrived from the U.K. You think it's a coincidence that the odds dipped as much as they did as soon as a bunch of Hatton fans whose currecny is twice as valuable as the dollar arrived in Vegas?