MMA on a Boxing forum

But it really is...

Where there was a bunch of boring fighters who did numbers now, it'll be entertaining eastern-europeans but they won't draw much.

 

So why look at MMA section if you don't like it?

Boxing fans secretly like MMA it's combat sport.

 

Didn't know I do, I've seen like 5 UFC fights all in all of which none were actually live. I'll admit I like bashing their sport though but I only do it here, I'm not registered on Sherdog or anything like that or any other websites.

Honestly, I think I may have liked it but the trashy fanbase and the organization that is UFC barf) permanently turned me off it, I liked PRIDE, I liked K-1 (I know not actually MMA).. although never to the extent I like boxing, I was more of a casual fan but I did enjoy it.

 

Cafe, if you like kickboxing, go check out some of Andy Hug's fights.

 

After todays' boring ass Cotto-Alvarez fight I dunno how ppl can say ufc or mma is dying.

 

UFC/MMA is gay. Machida was exciting. Alexander Gustafsson vs Jon Jones was one of the best fights I ever seen. Other than that.... Cotto-Alvarez was pretty damn exciting. Boxing > UFC

Unfortunately MMA is "the thing to do" these days when you go out to a bar or a restaurant with friends.

 

Machida was exciting? Wow...

 

How was it boring? You know what, I understood May-Pac, that was bad but this? This was a pretty decent fight, not a blockbuster but pretty good.

I guess watching two cavemen go for broke is more exciting.

 

I have to admit, Frye vs Takayama was fun times. And I also enjoyed Fedor's early demolition jobs. Wanderlei Silva is another guy who simply can't be in a boring fight. There's a place for everything. You can't just live on vanilla icecream

 

Exciting for people who don't take a primitive approach to fighting and prefer something more "scientific" or like a chess match. I understand that the crowds prefer to see two guys bashing in one another's skulls in caveman-like brawls but Machida was more like a classic boxer in his approach to fighting. He didn't have the hand speed, power, punch combinations or head movement but he did have the most insane speed, striking precision, evasive techniques and footwork I've ever seen outside of a boxing ring. He was also extremely patient and frustrating to fight against because his style caused so much confusion. The only way to beat the guy is to get him on the ground and finish him off there. So yes... Machida is the best talent MMA ever had to offer and it's gonna be extremely difficult to top that.

 

Yep exactly, her base is clearly from boxing though. Look at the lateral movement, the control if distance, the way she sets traps, feinting etc. You don't see that in kickboxing. Yes she has fused the two together and has become competent in the clinch/grapple situation. But it was boxing movement both offensive and defensive that gives her that excellent stand up base. To deny that is ridiculous. MMA fighters do not move the way Holly does, they do not come across fighters that can move like that. There are a few exceptions like TJ Dillishaw who is incorporating some wicked movement, using feints, angles, great footwork and Dominic Cruz, and look at how good these dudes are.

Boxing is a component of MMA and a damn good one. Yes you need adjustments, but it's an excellent base for stand up, if the fighter can apply it at a high level, MMA only trained fighters and grapplers will have a lot of trouble closing distance and when they do, a feint, slip and counter and move laterally, and then the other fighter has to reset. Look what happened to Ronda, she couldn't get off, and when she did, Holly wasn't there. Boxing, cannot get away from how effective it can be even in the cage. MMA fighters are just not used to being spun around lead a merry dance. They are used to moving in straight lines forward and back, When you give them a different look, from a former pro boxer, sorry former world champ pro boxer, that to them is like Neo from the Matrix in front of them.

 

Wrong. It's Kick boxing. And she's an MMA fighter. Not a boxer and not a kick boxer.

Ummm... yeah you do. Lateral movement is not exclusive to boxing. You have it in kick boxing as well as in karate. Certain styles of karate also have a stance that's similar to Mayweather's Philly shell. That doesn't mean they're boxing. Kick boxers DO use feints (as do Karate and Taekwondo guys). Traditionally Karate guys actually DON'T chamber their punches in combat and keep their hands up like boxers. In fact many of them even move a lot more than boxers with their insanely fast footwork. That also doesn't mean they're boxing. You'll find lateral movement, control of distance, setting traps and feinting in kick boxing as well as other martial arts. That doesn't mean Holy Holms was boxing either.

Wrong again. Watch Alexander Gustaffson fight. Watch Machida fight. Then watch Cotto or Timothy Bradley fight and tell me that Holy ***** moved like a boxer. She moved NOTHING like a boxer. It was ALL MMA based movements. Ryan Bader moved more like a boxer against Rashad Evans than Holms did against Drowsy. Throwing kicks, oblique kicks and elbows combined with more refined punches from boxing is not boxing. In MMA you can't even use any stances you use in boxing. Not even the footwork is anywhere near the same so how is anyone gonna say that she moved like a boxer? Even the angles, control of distance and the rhythm of a fight is entirely different from boxing LOL.

Holy Holm looked better than she is because she fought someone who was marketed and hyped up as being capable of beating Mayweather. None of that had any basis in reality. A good/smart wrestling/judo/jujutsu fighter doesn't even have to stand up and trade with you on the feet in MMA. He could easily close the distance by shooting in, judo toss you (ending the fight on the spot) or lift you upside down six feet in the air, dump you right on your head, mount you with ground and pound or begin ripping your limbs apart with jujutsu. Leave MMA be MMA and let boxing be boxing. Holy Holm is MMA. Not boxing.

 

I saw a hell of a lot elbows and kicks combined with punches, a kick is what caused the KO, yet it's a win for boxing?..More like it's a win for Muay Thai.

 

Shogun outstruck him.

 

Mauricio Rua = :yep

Gotta love the Brazilians