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Her base is boxing. Her boxing career is far more extensive than kickboxing. That's like calling VitalI a wrestler because that's what he started with. Holm started briefly with kickboxing but very quickly moved to boxing where the majority of her career resides.

Also, boxing did help Holm won the fight with Rousey. Not 100%, but not 0% either.

She was pretty much befuddling Rousey with her movement and defense, and jabbing at her face at will. And it was a left hook that set up the kick.

Seems to me that Holm did use boxing to help win the fight. It was obvious from all who saw it.

 

Shogun was really good at somehow staying on top of him and consistently pressuring Machida. You also have to remember that Machida was fighting guys who were naturally much bigger than him (like shogun) and some can easily fight at heavy weight. Machida was more of a natural middle weight and being at LHW slowed him down a ton. I hate to say it but Shogun did beat him in both fights. The first one was poor judging.

Everyone thought Shogun drew the blueprint to beating him but no one else was able to do to Machida what Shogun did on the feet. Machida simply evolved at that point. Jones drew a better blue print which was to get him to the ground and wear him out there with ground strikes so that he wouldn't have the chance to get trigger happy on the feet. In other words, don't strike with Machida.

Machida's biggest flaws in my opinion was that he was generally physically weaker and smaller than his opponents (even at middle weight), had a bad chin and didn't really implement any boxing. I think boxing would of made his karate even more formidable.

 

Her MMA career is also about as extensive as Ronda Drowsey. They both began training MMA a year apart and have about as much fighting experience as one another fighting in MMA professionally. That alone makes her an MMA fighter.

Her base is kick boxing. She trained kick boxing for about 5 years IN AN MMA gym under MMA trainers. In MMA you're better suited to rely on your kick boxing background than your boxing background and this is exactly what she did. Does her 19 titles in boxing make that a win for kick boxing as well?

More like 25% if that. That's pretty huge considering all the other disciplines involved in MMA. Makes boxing an extremely important element of fighting. She only "boxed" for as long as Drowsey kept herself susceptible to it but she also had to rely on Muay Thai techniques which actually did most of the real damage. Watch the fight again.

You have movement, defense and jabbing in kick boxing also. You have it in virtually all of MMA. It's different. The stance is different because you have so much to worry about. She wasn't in a boxing stance. The movement is different because having other things to worry about changes the entire dynamic of the fight. She didn't move exactly like a boxer would under those circumstances. You're also in an octagonal cage. Not a square ring. In kick boxing you also use punches to set up kicks and vice versa so those arguments fall flat on their face harder than Drowsey did. The fact remains that ANY kick boxer would of exploited the sub par striking in Drowsey's game at punching range.

No one's arguing that boxing didn't help win the fight. The issue is with those who think it's a win for boxing when clearly it was nothing more than an MMA fight. It's a win for MMA and has nothing to do with boxing.

 

Shogun is a bloated LHW, too. He's not exactly huge at the weight.

No. Machida's flaws were that once people found out they could out strike him, he was lost. Hell, Tito Ortiz nearly submitted him!

 

Didn't realize he wasn't such a small LHW either. He looks much larger during his fights and even beat the hell out of Uber Reem TWICE. Shogun was a monster in his prime and it's really a shame that he ****ed up his knees in pride. That's why he didn't own the UFC like he should have. He just wasn't the same guy.

There hasn't been anyone other than shogun who stood up and traded with Machida successfully. All the other guys who defeated him had to rely on getting him to the ground (including Jones) to wear him out. Machida never had a ground game other than 1) try and avoid being taken down at all costs and 2) in the event that he is taken down try and get back to the feet and keep the fight standing. I don't think it's that big of an accomplishment to submit him when his jujutsu was very okay and nothing exceptional.

 

good post dude :good

 

Agreed about Shogun.

This time 10 years ago he was a serious savage. What he did to Rampage was downright mayhem!

How Pride never matched he and Wand together I'll never know! Even Fedor - who would have killed him, IMO - would have still been a tasty match-up for the hardcore fans!

That's my whole point: His ground game doesn't exist. Shogun showed that excellent Muay Thai beats him, and that if you get it to the ground (like Romero did) he's like a fish out of water.

 

Apparently Shogun and Wand had a "sparring session" aka fight over a dog. The way Wanderlei tells it he won. Shogun may have been green though. As much as I love Wanderlei, I'd have to give the edge to Shogun prime-for-prime.

 

Can't see the Benson Henderson fight on UK Tv this week?

 

It is a real 50/50 fight, IMO.

Wand held his own with Mirko (under Mirko's rules, no less!) and stood toe-to-toe with Mark Hunt in his prime! Destroyed QJ (twice) and was an absolute killer who had laser-like combinations.

Shogun hammered Arona (who Wand could never beat), maimed Overreem and also destroyed QJ.

Would have been so epic to see! I could easily pick Wand today and change my mind tomorrow! :good

 

If it means that much to you, yes her boxing skills basically beat Rousey! 1 up to boxing? What ****ing sad ass thinks like that?

She doesn't box anymore she has decided to get into MMA who cares?

Same for all the Sado so called boxing fans that say they don't like MMA, no-one cares both are happening deal with it in your own petty little minds.

 

Look, fair enough. I think that Wandy had a mean streak that Shogun maybe does not. I could have sworn that just before he caved in QJ's face with a knee he was grinning like a kid at Christmas and his parents had just bought him a motorbike. And he was often much craftier than people credit him for ... not just a windmilling brawler. Then again, Shogun I would say had the advantage on the ground; his leg locks seem second to none. Hmm, gonna watch some old Pride about now I think

 

If someone like Anthony Joshua keeps winning, he will be a major draw worldwide, he already has the Olympic title, the look and the style to be a huge draw.

MMA is a dying sport, no doubt about it. Pretty much the same fan base as WWE

 

Nope.

 

Yeah, they should just get this **** outa here. Boring BS has run its course. UFC is now swirling around the bowl ready to go down the drain. And when this garbage is gone, boxing will still be here, as great as it has ever been.