A minor boxing mystery to solve-need input

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by burt bienstock, Mar 29, 2010.


  1. david3723

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  2. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I have just "discovered" that the Coney Island Velodrome on Neptune Ave and W12st in Coney Island where I SAW Ray Robinson defeat Bobby ****s in their SECOND bout a few years after Robinson beat Billy Brown in 1950 in the last official bout in 1950, was NOT TORN down until 1955...After which they built the Luna Park Housing Cooperative... Thus my hunch that about in the early to mid 1950s
    a last minute make-up bout between a past champion Ray Robinson and one time leading welterweight contender Bobby ****s was
    made, and I and a Navy buddy of the past ATTENDED. But why it is not on record is the ever present mystery...Sherlock Holmes, you are sorely needed...
     
  3. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace

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    I have doubts about this fight taking place and not being recorded.
     
  4. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Luf, I swear on everything I consider holy. I was THERE. Would I today at my stage in life knock my brains out if I were not certain I saw that bout a couple of years after Robinson decisioned Bobby D on TV in 1950 in Chicago ???? Answer! Hell No...
     
  5. Bullet

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    Burt, maybe you thought it was this guy and it was another one ? Or maybe you confused someone else with Ray Robinson ?

    How young were you at the time ? Maybe it was Johnny Bratton.
     
  6. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    B, first of all I was about in my early twenty's or so when I saw this second bout between Ray Robinson and Bobby D in the early 1950's or so. I did not bring up this subject for many years of my "mystery" until some nice poster surprisingly posted this on this site a few days ago...I don't need the "agita" for dang sure...Oh please B, it was not Johnny Bratton who was a black fighter whom I saw several times in MSG in the 1940s...The guy I saw in the early 1950s was Bobby D,a tall lanky welterweight from Tampa, Fl who I saw on tv in 1950 lose to Robinson from Chicago...Thank you for your interest but I KNOW WHAT I SAW for sure...
     
  7. latineg

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    Burt, don't forget that at one stage or another it simply might have been left off one major list by mistake for no reason other than a oversight or an anomaly etc,,,, Data bases are usually never perfect.

    I tend to trust you that the fight took place where and when you said. Wouldn't surprise me that within all those records at Boxrec more than a few mistakes exist. Lots used to, i guess they are slowly weeding them all out.
     
  8. burt bienstock

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    L, Now with the new info I discovered a few days ago that though the Coney Island Velodrome closed officially in 1950 when Ray Robinson decisioned a Billy Brown on Sept 4, 1950, this open air Arena was not
    TORN DOWN TIL 1956, when a housing development started to be built. And as my instinct tells me now this bout I SAW was thrown together as a last minute affair between SRR and Bobby D a few years
    after Robinson and Bobby D fought in Chicago in 1950 on TV.
    I remember watching this last minute fight, that they fought once before [1950 Chicago}.
    P.S. Even if I saw that fight between SRR and someone else posing as Bobby D a couple years after 1950 and before 1956 when the Arena was demolished why isn't it on record that Robinson fought SOMEONE ???
     
  9. latineg

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    we need to contact more historians, someone must be able to shed some light on it :think
     
  10. burt bienstock

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    L, thanks for your interest. Maybe in the sports department of one of the existing Newspapers today in NY who were around in the 1950-56 era , some light could be shed ? About 1953 to 1956 I would venture...
    How were the Pyramids of Egypt built ? Who knows.
    And I have my little mystery L...
     
  11. david3723

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    I hit a wall, searching Brooklyn Eagles archives
    and every Bobby ****s story never mentioned a second fight with Robinson taking place.

    I found a story Robinson-****s were suppose meet a second time in Miami on January 22, 1951, but the fight was s****ped because Robinson in "good fight" couldn't make 147-pound weight limit.
     
  12. YesMySon

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    The Answer is clear.

    Robinson literally fought nobodys.
     
  13. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    My son, very clever but no cigar . Aside from the humor, Bobby D at his best 1945-50 was a darn tough welterweight who most likely would whip any 147 pounder today. Bobby D had to contend with a SRR,
    Kid Gavilan, Tommy Bell, Johnny Bratton, Billy Graham, Carmine Basillio
    etc. No easy task...