So, Floyd Fans: Who Do You Have Beating Floyd at Welter in Boxing History

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  1. acb

    acb De Camaguey... Gavilan Full Member

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    Brooklyn I really apreciate all the typing you did in this thread and there have been some very well thought out responses along with the other thing.

    It strikes me that so many posters think that modern fighters are using techniques that weren't used in the 40's and 50's. Its a laughable idea if you just view some of the older fighters.

    A question for those who argue this though... James Toney, a boxer who is adored on this forum for having such a tool kit in the ring, has frequently laid claim to learning his tricks from fighters such as E. Charles and the like.

    How do you wash this with the idea that fighters are so much more evolved? Clearly, he doesn't believe in this myth, so why do you?
     
    acb, May 13, 2008
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  2. Ziggy Montana

    Ziggy Montana The Butcher Full Member

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    In case you are referring to me this is not at all what I said.

    Clarifications:

    (1) Time is not static, it is dynamic. The best of the 50's has been emulated through generations of fighters (i.e. "I want to be SSR", followed by "I want to be like the guy who wanted to be SRR", etc... In the process, some emules have surpassed the teachers. THis is how things work in every sphere of human activities)

    (2) In terms of technique, the elite fighters of the older days displayed greater contrast with the non-elite ones. Such contrast is attenuated nowadays given that average fighters benefited from the teachings of the great fighters of the past (through imitation). Again, this is how things work in every sphere of human activities. Only stubburn nostalgics fail to see that.

    (3) The greatest contrast between current and past fighters is expressed not in terms of technique but in terms of static and dynamic strength. All measurable athletic performances have improved as years went by; the ones that improved most were those that required the most static (weightlifting) and dynamic (track & field, football, soccer, martial arts and, yes, boxing, to name a few) strenght.

    Read carefully and try at least not to distort other posters arguments.
     
    Ziggy Montana, May 14, 2008
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  3. Benjiabc

    Benjiabc The Nottingham Hitman Full Member

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    all of the above and a prime mosley
     
    Benjiabc, May 14, 2008
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  4. thespecialone

    thespecialone Active Member Full Member

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    SRR
    SRL
    Henry Armstrong
    Kid Galivan
    Roberto Duran
    Thomas Hearns
    Pernell Whittaker
    Oscar De La Hoya
    Shane Mosley
    Felix Trinidad
    Ike Quartey

    Not sure about Cotto, i think it would be an interesting match up
     
    thespecialone, May 14, 2008
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  5. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Brooklyn , sorry, i got the wrong thread when you asked me 2 come in and help!!! My fault, hope i was helpful to you in that other 1 about Mayweather though
     
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  6. Privatejoker

    Privatejoker Member Full Member

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    SRR
    SRL
    Sam Langford (Yes, he once fought at 147)
    Mickey Walker (the guy was a huge Welter with power)
    Tommy Hearns
    Roberto Duran
    Kid Gavilan
    Carmen Basilo (a stronger more relentless Castillo)
    Emile Griffith
    Jose Napoles
    Pernell Whittaker
    ODLH (PEAK)
    SSM (PEAK)
    Vernon Forrest
    Don Curry (PEAK)
     
    Privatejoker, May 14, 2008
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  7. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    No one !!
     
    fitzgeraldz, May 14, 2008
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  8. sweetray

    sweetray Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Actually, Winky Wright, Vernon Forrest, Sturn. Then prime DLH, prime Mosley,
    Trinidad (Trinidad left hook to the body by KO).
     
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  9. ganchozurdo

    ganchozurdo Active Member Full Member

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    im serusly concerned with ur FRAUD nut :tong :tong :tong i f u think no one beats him at 147
     
    ganchozurdo, May 14, 2008
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  10. acb

    acb De Camaguey... Gavilan Full Member

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    This is a joke, yes?
     
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