Evander Holyfield - "small" heavyweight?

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  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Yeah but for all of them I can rattle off: Larry Donald, Chris Byrd, Alexander Povetkin, Ruslan Chagaev, Sultan Ibragimov, Jeremy Williams, Bermane Stiverne, Odlanier Solis, Owen Beck, Oleg Maskaev, Artur Szpilka, Mike Perez, Bryant Jennings, Friday Ahunanya, Eddie Chambers, Vyacheslav Glazkov, Sergey Kuzmin, Denis Bakhtov...

    All in Holy's neighborhood in terms of size by one metric or another (height or weight proportionate to height, frame..)

    Only a few were belt holders but the rest pretty much contended at least once. All relevant heavyweights anyway.
     
  2. thanosone

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    He was a Helmet Head Heavyweight.
     
  3. RockysSplitNose

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    I met Holy and he had a VERY big head - looks comically big compared to mine in the photo I had with him - and I thought my head was a little over sized haha but he wasn't particularly big really - I think in reality he's probably no bigger than 6'1" which is what he used to be listed as at cruiser weight I think maybe he seemed shorter as he kinda walked in a hunched way but he wasn't physically imposing whereas when I met Muhammad Ali he seemed as wide as a barn door and definitely taller but physically far more physical presence - and Johnny Nelson when I met him was like a physical freak! Absolutely freakin' HUGE!? How he ever got down to cruiser weight is beyond me MAHOOSIVE GUY! Seeing Ali and Holy can only imagine how big say Foreman was - and Sonny Liston man that guy must've been scary!? But yeah Holy was naturally a cruiser so in modern terms I guess people don't consider him huge but small is a bit of a stretch - he bulked up to probably a good Joe Louis-ish size frame
     
  4. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Maybe that is what has so many people thinking he's small; disproportionately large cranium. :lol:
     
  5. andrewa1

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    Evander was an average sized heavyweight for his era and a small champ. Typically HW champs are above average size for their division.

    Dominant champs who were larger than the average contender of their era include:
    Wlad
    Vitali
    Lewis
    Bowe
    Holmes
    Foreman
    Ali
    Liston (average height but heavy and insane reach)
    Louis
    Johnson
    Jeffries

    Shorter/lighter than average contender champs include:
    Tyson
    Patterson
    Marciano

    Average sized (again, compared to era's contenders) champs include:
    Holyfield
    Frazier (shorter but heavier)
    Tunney
    Dempsey
    Sullivan

    Those are all the champs I'd currently rate as "dominant", and well over half of them were larger than the average contender of their era.

    Also, I don't think its revisionary because I recall commentators at the time of the Bowe fights noting Holyfield was at a disadvantage because of his size.
     
  6. IntentionalButt

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    ...disadvantaged versus Bowe, sure, but were people excoriating, say, Tyson for picking on a "smaller man" in poor wee little cruiser Holy?

    ...and Tyson never got as many pats on the back for consistently taking on much bigger men, from the very beginning. Sure, he already in his teens had a super-sized and powerfully built frame, but Holyfield wasn't exactly a string bean versus, say, Qawi and his frame was naturally designed to carry the extra muscle he would go on to add plenty comfortably. Just because Tyson achieved his peak muscle-mass earlier in life doesn't mean Holyfield is a naturally smaller-bodied man.
     
  7. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    :bump: In light of what have become inevitable comparisons to Usyk as Holyfield's stature as the cruiser GOAT (once thought cemented rather firmly) comes into question.
     
  8. Mendoza

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    Historically speaking he's slightly bigger than average. In his time (1990's to 2000's), he was slightly smaller than average. Today he's certainly small.
     
  9. IntentionalButt

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    I reject that. Just because three of the current top 5 heavyweights are supers, as were the brothers that dominated for a decade or so before that, doesn't mean that ALL post-millennium elite heavyweights are necessarily all these giants. That just doesn't jive with the facts. Chagaev was no giant, nor Ibragimov, nor Byrd.

    6'2.5" and 220ish-lbs average makes Holy pretty much the same exact size as Povetkin, who is currently, in 2018, a consensus top 4 heavyweight, and not considered all that small by anyone, even if he is substantially outsized by the other three (strictly in height; Wilder actually weighs less on average)
     
  10. IntentionalButt

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    Bellew another upjumped cruiser, half an inch taller + Chisora, weighing in more (because he's fat) but a full inch shorter than Holyfield - both currently top 15 HW contenders, both zeroing in on title shots in fact.
     
  11. Mendoza

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    Well since 1990 the top guy has been over 220 pounds, with the exception for Holyfield who should be 1-4 on fair score cards vs Bowe and Lewis ( he struggled vs bigger skilled guys ) and Moorer who upset Holyfield.

    The 1990's and 2000's up to this point has clearly belong to big men. Bowe, Lewis, V Klitschko, W. Klitschko and Joshua.

    These days 6'4" 240 pounds is the new " average " top ten heavyweight. Someone can do the math at ring magazine top ten if they have the time.

    [url]https://www.ringtv.com/ratings/?weightclass=272[/url]

    All the top up and coming prospects ( 2016 Olympic gold, silver, bronze and bronze ) have even bigger dimensions. In addition the top world amateurs at 91K+ are also similar dimensions.

    Whether or not these giants make better fights for the fans is debatable, but the fact that 6'2" 220 pound heavyweights are going to be in short supply at the top ranks is a continuing trend. I'm not saying a 220 pound guy can't win, he's going to need a very good chin, plus power and skills to do it. Or to catch a older or chinny champ.

    Povektin, age 39 has a chance to punch out this massive trend vs. Joshua, but after he retires, I just don't see any grade A prospects at 220 pounds on the horizon for the next 4+ years and I have decent info on the all new pro heavies and the top amateurs.
     
  12. Combatesdeboxeo_

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    Holyfield was not bigger than frazier it is a total bullshi7 IN FACT THE REVERSE IS TRUTH, FRAZIER WAS THE BIGGER MAN, JOE NEVER TOUCHED A WEIGHT IN HIS COMPLETE LIFE AND HE WEIGHED 210 WITHOUT PROBLEM AT 5'11 OF HEIGHT AND EVANDER AT 24 WEIGHED 187 POUNDS AT 6'2 , HE TRAINED LIKE A RAT IN THE GYM AND USED ROIDS TO WEIGH 209 POUNDS IN HIS PEAK AT HW. FRAZIER HAD THE FRAME OF TYSON, EXACTLY THE SAME ONE, A SINGLE LEG OF JOE WAS AS THICK LIKE 2 OF EVANDER SO LEARN ANY CRAP BEFORE SAYING NONSENSEA
     
  13. Combatesdeboxeo_

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    Exactly, the frames of Ali and foreman were much bigger than evander's. The legs of holyfield were skinny. Frazier had bigger frame than holyfield
     
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