Pacquiao deserves massive respect for NOT ducking Marquez in 2004

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  1. scarecrow

    scarecrow Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nobody wanted Marquez. And I mean absolutely nobody. 90% of fighters would have ducked Marquez then. This guy was a marvel at Featherweight. He wasn't a big name at the time. Didn't bring in a lot of cash at that time. He was H2H one of the hardest guys to beat in a long, long time before he got old and went up to Welterweight.

    Pacquiao had everything to lose and almost nothing to gain by fighting him in 2004. It was only after the Pacquiao fight where everybody was like, Yo this Marquez guy is a freaking boss.

    And then not only that. Pacquiao in 2008 gives him a rematch which he didn't have to do at all. Considering that he was the one who blew up Barrera and Morales and could do whatever the hell he wanted by that point.
     
  2. Doc Everlast

    Doc Everlast Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes also for giving him a rematch. Pacquiao won the first fight. The one judge messed up his scorecard for round 1. Should have been 10-6 not 10-7.
     
  3. scarecrow

    scarecrow Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Agreed. Pacquiao was the guy with the nuts to take on Marquez when Marquez was a beast.
     
  4. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Get real, the Marquez rematches happened only because Arum ran out of punching bags to throw Pacquiao in there with.

    The third fight, Arum, team Pacquiao, and most everyone thought Pacquiao had improved by leaps and bounds and Marquez was to old and slow to compete with Pacquiao at Welterweight.
    It was the fight where Alex Ariza stated, "not even God himself can help Marquez from what Manny is going to do to him."

    Coach roach stated, "I've instructed Manny not to have any pity on him. Be careful what you wish for. We're going to shut him up!"

    It was personal for coach Roach! :lol:





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  5. rathalos

    rathalos Active Member Full Member

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    i am looking at pac resume the other day and it amaze me,i was looking at fighters that he didnt fight,but heck he fought the fighters he should have fought.
    pac ***** = size of jupiter
     
  6. scarecrow

    scarecrow Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And what about the 2004 fight? The first one when nobody knew who the hell Marquez was?

    He had Hamed ducking just unashamedly.
     
  7. moparfan

    moparfan ESB's glass jawed fraud Full Member

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    In 2004 JMM was the #1 ranked featherweight & Pound for Pound ranked #6 (according to Ring magazine)...!!!
     
  8. scarecrow

    scarecrow Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And he proved after the fight that he should have been ranked at the least #3 p4p in the world at the time.
     
  9. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    Round 1 should've been 10-6, yes, but Marquez still should've won enough of the remaining rounds on the cards to get the W.
     
  10. Doc Everlast

    Doc Everlast Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I had Pac winning the first fight. I had the second fight a draw. I had the third fight a draw also. And we don't need to discuss the outcome of the 4th fight. :D
     
  11. aaalbert

    aaalbert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This!

    Marquez definitely won enough rounds for the win regardless if that judge scored it wrong in favor of Pac.
     
  12. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    You hate giving Márquez credit, then. :yep

    He's 4-0 in my book and I don't feel that should even be considered a controversial opinion, nor disrespectful to Manny. The first three were all close battles and good style match-ups but Márquez swept them clearly IMO.
     
  13. Doc Everlast

    Doc Everlast Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I could be mistaken but I think I heard that a judge doesn't have to score every knockdown in a round in order to not put the fighter way behind on points. But this was round 1 and Marquez still had 11 rounds to rally. I understand this thinking in the late rounds but not rounds 1-3.
     
  14. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    Each decision was worse than the one that preceded it. III was a huge robbery, I merely a "wrong decision". II somewhere in the middle.
     
  15. Doc Everlast

    Doc Everlast Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    All 3 fights could have went either way. I think the judges robbed Marquez in the 3rd fight because Nacho was bashing the judges after the 2nd fight! They should have told the old prune face to shut his gums! :D