It looks like Pavlik/Calzaghe is almost official

JC is going for true greatness.

And fukk Roy Jones..

 

really?
name me one proven world class fighter in his prime calzaghe has beaten?

emperor's new clothes, my friend...

 

He could knock out King Kong in his prime and I suspect you'd dismiss it.

 

not at all if it happened.

would you like me to ask the question again?

this is a debating forum and i'm challenging someone to debate me on this if you disagree.

stop working around the question and answer it.

 

i really think joe will win on points, i just think he has to many skills and adaptability to whatever pavlik brings to the table. Pavlik is a puncher and take his ability to fire his punches with his footwork, with JC's movement what else can he do? he is NOT known to be a inside kind of fighter, i think this fight be a little close to the kessler fight except joe will possibly have to smother pavlik more to take him away from throwing a load of punchs. don't forget joe has seen all styles of fighters before (ok not pavlik exact style but u get my point) and can adapt i think joe will over power pavlik inside more as pavlik is just to dangersous fighting him outside all night. Also i think joe will not even try to outland him rememember Joe is a EXCELLENT counterpuncher himself, woodhall for UK Tv (who faught Joe) did say he was the best counterpuncher he faught and when he wants he can counterpunch as good as anyone, so i wouldn't be surprised joe adapts this tactic as well.

I guess i think simply joe has to many styles to bring on fight night. Pavlik doesn't have the versitility to change his style (as much as calzaghe does) or the ring smarts as much as joe

I guess i watched the taylor fights again and it became apparent that joe would win against pavlik, taylor is not the same league as calzaghe i think we all on ESB agree with that. i just cannot see pavlik KO'ing joe but i see a possible SD or UD for joe.

 

King Kong is a overrated bum anyway.:rofl

 

joe by wide UD

pavlik is young and i will be dissapointed if people jump ship after the loss. its not that bad loosing to the best SMW of the last 10 years.

 

Robin Reid. Years later was whipping Sven Otkke's ass only to get ripped off in Germany.
Mikkel Kessler. Coming off a drubbing of Andrade (who's just beaten two contenders in Mack and Stieglitz)
Charles Brewer, Byron Mitchell, omar Sheika (was hot stuff then, had beaten Glenn Johnson) RichardStarie(had comfortly beaten Clinton Woods) Chris Eubank(definately past his best but Joe was a complete novice at the time).
Sorry but these arguments are often circular and meaningless as many people have often made up their minds and do not want them changed. This is why I've been a long time lurker here while never posting untill recently. Also I'm aware that none of the aforementioned names were top 10 p4p at the time. He can legitamitely be criticised for that. But they were proven world class operators.

 

I have to say by mentioning those names, you made a perfect case why Calzaghe is overrated. He is the ATG slapper I will give him that much.

 

good post. actually it's hard to engage someone one on one on a boxing board sometimes because they want to dismiss your argument in some way as a way of ending it (in their eyes).

but you haven't done that :good

but again i have to say, and relative to the time these guys were fought, that calzaghe hasn't beaten a proven world class fighter in his prime.

kessler was possibly the best super middle that calzaghe has fought and beating miranda would have done a lot to bolster his credentials in the bigger picture.

but instead mogens palle has opted for a weaker opponent as if HBO backing falls off trees. i think it's a bad play and we're in danger of seeing kessler falling back into the 'european syndrome' which plagues so many fighters who never do what ricky hatton did with his positive approach to the US.

no, i'm not british either by the way...

robin reid is the obvious lead in from this point, and i'm sure you know why the sven ottke example is a bad one.

ottke is the epitome of everything that is wrong with boxing when a guy like that can call himself 'world champion' and he and his promoter unashamaedly fool the german beercan fan into thinking it means something.

when you can do that you can make money.

 

Yeah really he did not help his case at all.

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Looking at Pavlik/Calzaghe, I see Pavlik getting advice from B-Hop, and KOing Calzaghe.

 

I'm just sayin he's fought world class fighters. I've never believed he's an atg. People have no sense of perspective and get seduced by the fame game. Pavlik is a perfect example of this. A respectable, decent worldclass fighter but not noticeably better than others that Calzaghe has faced. But even if you agreed with me you wouldn't admit it.

 

:deal

 

Boxing is supposed to be a world sport but I feel its becoming parochial, Otkke was a perfect example of that. In the past America was also guilty (eg. it took Duilo Loi untill he was nearly past it before he got a title crack) I'd hate to see Germany,UK and others carve out their litle fiefdoms and play it safe at home but thats always happened in boxing history. Ever wondered why Europe had many great fighters before WWII but few after it?

 

You could say the same about Pavliks level of opposition. Many people are highly unimpressed by Miranda and Taylor. I think they're roughly the same quality as those that Calzaghe defended against personally.