Julio Cesar Chavez: The Original King of the CANS. 100% FACTS!!!

And yet, 90% cans isn't as bad as the Triple Duck.

 

I saw Chavez knock Roger Mayweather out two times in two different weight divisions..................Chavez almost killed Taylor in their first fight, they had a rematch which was a total mismatch. Chavez destroyed Taylor's career..............Chavez was a legit fighter. In the Whitaker fight, the judges did take points away for intentional low blows, there were two in a row for example...................Chavez appeared to be owned by Don King, so there was that influence, and back then he had huge influence, still, Whitaker did throw a low of low blows...............................

 

For the record, Julio Cesar Chavez schooled Rocky Lockridge despite fighting about half the fight with a fractured hand.

That fight was shown live on ABC Sports and I remember thinking afterward that I was witnessing what could be a fighter on the level of Roberto Duran and Alexis Arguello.
Chavez performance despite a fractured hand was really impressive.

Its the one judge that scored it a draw that was way out of line.
The Lockridge fight took place before Chavez became a household name. Don King had no reason to even think about fixing any of Chavez' fights early in his championship days.
For Don King to even think about protecting his record would have come sometime after his destruction of Edwin Rosario when the boxing world took notice that Chavez was truly a special fighter destined for greatness.

 

This is so true. lol

 

Taylor suffered a broken eye socket, broken ribs, badly busted up face, had a lot of blood pumped from his stomach, was ****ing blood for weeks and was in hospital for almost 2 weeks following the fight. :hi:

 

Isnt the eye socket considered part of his face?

 

The old greats used to take easier fights instead of sparring. Chavez was very old school and his workout regimen consistent of little more than running and sparring. Mexicans already turn pro early to begin with in absence of a robust amateur system. These weaker opponents don't subtract from his great wins.

As to the best he's fought:

Taylor couldn't respond and was legitimately stopped.
The rematch settled any doubt.
Edwin Rosario was a Hall of Famer.
Hector Camacho was a Hall of Famer.
Lockridge is a HOF nominee.
Roger Mayweather was a solid champion.

Oscar beat him well past his prime and turned out to be an ATG himself. Same with Tzyu who is a HOF fighter.

Whitaker is an ATG most fighters would lose to so you can't use that against him when comparing legacies. Especially as he was past his best and still made it competitive early.

Fighters you missed:

Haugen, a solid contender who beat Camacho and made a similar argument against Chavez you're making now. He famously said afterward "They must have been very tough taxi drivers."

Angel Hernandez, undefeated fighter with 37 wins and was the WBC's contender to face Chavez for the vacant title at 140.

Rafael Limon, who was old at the time, but was legendary for his fights with Bobby Chacon and was a solid champion at 140.

Juan Laporte, who beat Lockridge in 2 and gave one of the only other Mexican GOAT contenders Salvador Sanchez a very tough fight over 15 rounds. Sanchez told him he would be the next SFW champion. A few years after Sanchez passed away, his words became prophetic and Laporte became champ.

Jose Luis Ramirez could have almost been HOF level. He faced incredibly good opposition and has a win over Rosario (Ramirez took his 0 with a KO) and several good wins after becoming WBC Lightweight Champion. He's best remembered for having a gift over Whitaker, but he performed well against him regardless.


I suggest you read up on some history and watch his fights before trying to generalize his impressive record as simply padded. Chavez has great wins, very good wins, good wins, and then some stay-busy fights that enhanced his record. But if you think he managed to reach that record without fighting and beating the best, you're sadly mistaken.

 

So?. Didn't Marquez suffer a concussion after the fourth Pacquiao fight?. Chavez is definitely a great fighter but his resume is definitely padded and he received many controversies/gifts(referees, judges and gift decisions) throughout his career. This doesn't mean that he's not a great fighter, it's just a reality very few like to admit.

 

At least senior got his controversial wins against world class opponents like Taylor and Whitaker ... not like his son who collected robbery-wins/draws against lesser opposition like Vanda, Zbik, Molina and Vera

 

Taylor (whom he almost killed contrary to legend), Rosario, Ramirez, Camacho, Laporte, Gamache, Gonzales, Lopez, Randall, Haugan, Mayweather, Lockridge...

Yeah, the Whitiker fight was a shame.

Perhaps OP is just not familair with some of these fighters.

 

I didn't think anyone ever claimed Chavez fought great fighter after great fighter.

He had a lot of fights early on before challenging for a title as he had limited amateur experiene, in a similar vein to Canelo. After that he mixed keep busy fights with fighting the best opposition out there. As Bogotazo pointed out, he also fought many more better fighters than the OP stated. There are some noticable fighters Chavez fought that the OP missed out which could be a sign of the OP not fully knowing his history and just researching JCC's career on Boxrec.

If anyone claimed that most of JCC's fights were against P4P fighters then they are an idiot. However, to claim he fought a tiny amount of good fighters amidst a sea of bums is equally idiotic.

Chavez generally fought the best around. In between he would have keep busy fights against opposition ranging from pretty poor to top 10 contenders. If a guy fights 4-6 times a year then i don't mind if they aren't all against top contenders.

 

Whether opposition is a "can", "prime", "notable win", is a matter of opinion, you ignorant pos.

A fact is something that cant be refuted like JCC having the record for most championship fights.

Go find a dictionary and look up what a fact is.