It's time to accept it, guys

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  1. twopiece

    twopiece Pugilistic Ambassador Full Member

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    Wilder's power is legit. He has scored some insane KO's that a feather-fisted or "average" punching HW would not be able to duplicate:

    The Sergei Liakhovich KO (he was trying to literally "swim without getting wet") :scaredas:

    The Kelvin Price KO (just obliterated this guy with one hard shot at a time when both of them were just unbeaten prospects) :toney

    Tonight's KO of a very game and non-jetlagged Szpilka (leaving him totally out cold after a short right) :dead

    ^These fights were him still in his relatively crude stage. These opponents aren't world beaters (anymore, since Liak actually won a strap), but they're no Harold Sconiers's or Dusty Nichols's either.


    I think Wilder loses to Tyson Fury whenever (or if) that fight happens. I also think Wilder still needs a lot of improvement and more experience... and he has shown defensive liabilities, which is clearly the result of his lack of having an extensive amateur career following a relatively late start in boxing. He tends to leave himself wide open for a good counterpuncher. However...

    ... his power is definitely legit. He can truly crack and he also carries that power all the way into the late rounds. Sure, we're watching a guy develop after already holding a strap, but that's not what the thread is about. It's strictly about all the people who have gone out of their way to pretend that Wilder's shots have nothing on them. That's a pure fallacy in my opinion.

    That's all I've got to say. Yeah, he's got some bums on his record on the way up. But you know when you watch one of his fights, that someone is more than likely going to sleep.


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  2. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Yes he has fight ending power which is why he's hell for the hw division especially with his size guys have to be wary of his power.
     
  3. Rock0052

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    The power's legit! The only thing that compromises it at times is his own balance. But, it's encouraging to see he can carry it late in a fight.
     
  4. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The ****?

    It took him nine rounds to starch a guy who was knocked down three times by Mike Mollo.

    It took him nine to stop a guy who was knocked out in 1 by Arreola and ASHANTI JORDAN

    He couldn't stop or drop a guy who was stopped by Demetrice King and dropped by Derrick Rossy

    Tonight is confirmation that his power is a hair above average, and that is WITH the steroids cycling that is causing him to deny opponents a full camp.
     
  5. twopiece

    twopiece Pugilistic Ambassador Full Member

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    I believe that when a title is on the line that fighters tend to prep and give a better account of themselves in the ring for it. That's also what happened with Szpilka tonight. Furthermore, you could levy the same logic towards other boxers who have stopped guys later than previously inferior opponents did. I could cite specifics, but it won't matter to those who hate this guy with a passion that transcends all comprehension.

    Wilder isn't feather-fisted in my opinion. I didn't say he was the next coming of Foreman, etc. I'm saying he's just not Chris Byrd in there. Stand there and eat punches from him and risk learning to swim whether you know how or not...
     
  6. jakelamotta

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    Good points. Legit power but definitely defensive liabilities a good counterpuncher can exploit. Based on those liabilities I think just the way chambers fights, he would actually but wilder to sleep were they to fight for tomorrow, am I wrong?
     
  7. catchwtboxing

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    Szplika was denied a full camp. What the hell are you talking about better prep? As if preping has anything to do with chin anyway.

    Wilder's punches his weight and just that.
     
  8. twopiece

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    Don't think Chambers would be able to reach a Wilder who just boxes behind the jab. Eddie is too small, plus I don't think he hits hard enough to guarantee himself a KO over Wilder either unless Wilder serves up his Chin freely.

    Szpilka made Wilder look even worse because he was a southpaw. This fight tonight revealed that Wilder could have a lot of trouble with a southpaw who possess better skills than Artur Szpilka. Tyson Fury (a switch-hitter) has seen a clear blueprint he can use to dominate Deontay.
     
  9. twopiece

    twopiece Pugilistic Ambassador Full Member

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    Szpilka himself stated he was already in training before the fight was signed (four weeks out).

    If training and motivation meant nothing when it comes to how fights play out, then your assertion that he was "denied a full camp" falls on its face, since that would be a contradiction you made with yourself.

    Anyway... I know you're like some automated, seething Wilder-hatebot (among many on the internet), but you aren't talking to anyone who doesn't see the whole picture when it comes to this guy. It's better to be objective. Despite his less than impressive opposition, Wilder actually does carry "some" power in those hands. That is all.
     
  10. PolishNavy

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  11. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He said that because he is happy with the money. He did not get an 8 week camp and a 4 week camp is half as good.


    How long have you been watching boxing? Preparation has nothing to with chin, and you assertions are bogus.
     
  12. twopiece

    twopiece Pugilistic Ambassador Full Member

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    Ehh... he still has much to prove -- quite a bit, actually. But his power is real.

    He definitely needs to fight Povetkin next. That fight isn't a sure win for him, but I think he'd do better against Sasha than he would against Fury.
     
  13. jakelamotta

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    That's what I felt too regarding deontays jab... He just couldn't control distance with the reach advantage, but you see it more of Spzilka being the southpaw.

    I do think at this point Tyson fury would defeat wilder with his weird angles and feints.

    Lesson learned for Deontays handlers avoid southpaws.
     
  14. fistycuffs

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    He's legit. Good chin, tremendous power

    His weaknesses: balance, ability to fight tall, lunging

    If he tightens up his defense a little bit, I could only see Povetkin or maybe Fury beating him.
     
  15. twopiece

    twopiece Pugilistic Ambassador Full Member

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    Yep, an automated bot confirmed. No facts, logic, or reasoning worth replying to at all... just seething hatred. :lol:

    I've been "watching boxing" longer than you've been alive, but few fights I've seen have been more entertaining than the ones you have with your keyboard whenever Wilder is discussed on here. Carry on, little fella.