Better Legacy: Hopkins or RJJ

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  1. shanahan14

    shanahan14 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I know this has been done and I searched the forum but the threads I found were old. So, as both of these guys are geezers, I feel as if the time is right. RJJ seems to be damaging his legacy. Hopkins ahs only helped his and plans to have 1 more fight (a title fight) before he calls it quits.

    B-Hop: 55-7-2
    - 2 division champ (MW and LHW)
    - 20 consecutive MW title defenses
    - Oldest champion in history at 49
    - Wins over Trinidad, Glen Johnson, DLH, Tarver, Wright, Pavlik, Pascal, and RJJ (shot).

    RJJ: 62-9
    - 4 division champ (MW, SMW, LHW, HW)
    - Only fighter aside from Bob Fitzsimmons to win titles at MW and HW.
    - Took 51 fights to truly be beaten.
    - Wins over Hopkins, Tarver, Toney, McCallum, Trinidad, Ruiz, Hill, and Castro.

    Who do you believe has the greater legacy?
     
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  2. white boxer

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    Hopkins passed him years ago..and Roy is a 4 division title holder not champion as he was never lineal..Hopkins is a 2 weight lineal champion
     
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  3. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    While I think RJJ was the better fighter, Hopkins for me has the better overall legacy.
     
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  4. lepinthehood

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    Hopkins. Alone at 50 taking kovalevs bombs for 12 rounds. Let alone his history making title wins.
     
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  5. Faerun

    Faerun Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    RJJ was better at his peak but Hopkins passed him years ago in terms of achievements I feel.
     
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  6. Loudon

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    Most people will pick Bernard at this point.

    Bernard is seen as the incredible 50 year old who took on a monster in Kovalev, whereas Roy's just been knocked out by Enzo Mac.

    Bernard's longevity is incredible, but all things considered, I think Roy has the better legacy. He achieved more.
     
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  7. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    How did he pass him years ago?

    A 2 weight lineal champ?
     
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  8. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    I don't see how, although is longevity is incredible.
     
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  9. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Bernard hasn't achieved more than Roy, but he's stayed at the top for much longer. Although that's an achievement in itself, I don't think it's enough.
     
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  10. white boxer

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    Hopkins has a better resume and yes he was lineal at 160 and 175..Roy was never lineal
     
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  11. cuchulain

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    Bhop has freakish longevity, but he's not at RJJ's level.

    His best wins, Tarver, Pavlik, Pascal, and Trinidad, are not as impressive as Roy's: Hopkins, Toney, Hill and Ruiz.

    Even giving extra credit for his age and longevity is not enough IMO to make up the difference.

    And if we add in the head-to-head comparison of the prime versions of both, the gap widens even more.
     
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  12. white boxer

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    How has he not achieved more?
     
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  13. white boxer

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    why are they not as impressive?
     
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  14. Kel1981

    Kel1981 P4P No.1 Full Member

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    RJJ

    Hopkins by far has set the bar for longevity at a high level but he would never have been able to move up and beat a Heavyweight Champion.

    Roy Jones getting sparked several times past his prime does not impact what he did moving to heavy at his peak. We probably won't see that again in our lifetimes.
     
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  15. Mind Reader

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    Roy for me. Close but clear. I can understand the arguments for Hopkins though.
     
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