Can someone please explain?

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  1. latinostyle

    latinostyle New Member Full Member

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    I usually don't post anything but like to read and try to learn, I am very confused how all the belts are viewed or held? Case in point: Canelo has the WBC belt and GGG has the WBC belt so who is the champ? And I read how people say about lineal champ? What does that even mean? Can someone make it as plain as possible to help me out, I'm really trying to understand this?
     
  2. latinostyle

    latinostyle New Member Full Member

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    Ha, I understand your frustration, but this still does not explain the belts to me, and what a lineal champ is compared to a champ that is not?
     
  3. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I've been a fan for over 25 years and a hardcore fan for about 12, I still have no idea and don't really care. It's all a bunch of bull****.
     
  4. latinostyle

    latinostyle New Member Full Member

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    So then how do you explain the two WBC belts? the one that Canelo has and the one GGG has? What is the difference between the two if it is the same organization and weight class?
     
  5. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The Lineal Champ is the actual world champion in a weight class.

    The word "lineal" is used because you can follow their "lineage" as the title was passed from the recognized world champ to the next.

    Canelo Alvarez is the lineal middleweight champion (the real world middleweight champion).

    He won it from Miguel Cotto, who won it from Sergio Martinez, who won it from Kelly Pavlik, who won it from Jermain Taylor, who won it from Bernard Hopkins ... who became the world middleweight champion when he beat all the other champions to take all four belts.

    Before Hopkins, the last WORLD middleweight champion was Sugar Ray Leonard - who vacated the title after he won it from Marvin Hagler. Who won it from Minter. Who took it from Antuofermo. Who won it from Corro. Who won it from Rodriguo Valdez, Who became the middleweight champion when he and Bennie Briscoe (the top two contenders) faced off after the retirement of Carlos Monzon - who won the title from Nino Benvenuti ... and so on.

    If a World champ retires or vacates ... like Leonard and Monzon did ... the "lineage" doesn't begin again until the TWO recognized BEST fighters in the weight class meet to determine who is the best.

    Hopkins became universally recognized when, as the IBF champ, he knocked off the WBC Keith Holmes, the WBA champ Felix Trinidad and the WBO champ Oscar De La Hoya ... and he was the last champ standing. (Although many recognized Hopkins after he beat Trinidad ... since they were considered the two best at the time.)

    The ratings bodies are notorious for stripping LINEAL champs because the Lineal champ doesn't do what they want him to do.

    And since there are four organizations, sometimes a champ is trying to do what one organization wants him to do and the orgs don't agree with each other so they take it out on the champion.

    You're supposed to win and lose the "real" title in the ring ... And the lineal champs are the guys who do that.

    They aren't the champs who pick up a vacant strap against someone who isn't ranked by anyone else because some organization was angry at the actual "world" champion ... so, to take it out on the champion ... they hand their belt to some other fighter.
     
  6. The Professor

    The Professor Socialist Ring Leader Staff Member

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