Best performances - JJW, Archie Moore, and Ezzard Charles?

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  1. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Which performances do you feel best exhibit the range of these fighters' skills and talents (at light-heavy or heavy)?
     
  2. Reason123

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    JJW: both fights with Louis, KO of Charles, and First Marciano fight. Even in losing he still showed just how skillful he was. The KO of Charles is one of my favorites.

    Ezzard Charles: 2nd Loyd Marshall fight, first Marciano fight, Bob Satterfield fight and for his non filmed fights his two wins over Charley Burley and three wins over Moore. Are very impressive.

    Don't know enough about or even seen enough of Moore to say, but the Yvon Durelle and Marciano fights did show his heart.
     
  3. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Too bad Moore didn't take Patterson really seriously in their heavyweight title fight. Moore already had the Hvyweight crown on his head when he entered to ring, to find out Patterson was the "real deal" too late.
     
  4. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jersey Joe-ko of Charles
    Charles-beating Burley twice, beating Moore 3 times and his wins over Bivins, Maxim and Lloyd Marshall.His 15 rounds defeat against Rocky Marciano when Ez was past his best was also a good go.
    Moore- multiple victories over Harold Johnson, Maxim and Yvonne Durelle, one over Nino Valdez plus dropping Marciano and being only the second one to do it, despite losing
     
  5. Reason123

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    I forgot one JJW's fight with Hein Ten Hoff is worth a watch. Walcott does shows how he could handle a much bigger fighter.
     
  6. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Shows how tiny of a heavyweight Walcott was: "Much bigger fighter" = 219-lbs

    Strange fight. In the highlights that I saw, Walcott mostly stalks him flat-footed, with power punch leads while HTH mostly steps/jumps back with his hands low.
     
  7. Reason123

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    I thought Walcott was doing a good job of closing the distance and working on the inside. From what I say of the fight. Hmmm 219 pounds that isn't big but his 84 inch reach would still be considered big today. Walcott weighed 201 for that fight. I wish they had the whole fight on film.
     
  8. mrkoolkevin

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    He was closing the distance, mostly by walking straight forward and leading with power punches whenever Hoff was close enough. It helped that he could punch with Hoff and didn't have to worry about his power. Looked to me like he was working mostly from mid-range; they mostly tied up on the inside.
     
  9. Man50

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    Why is it whenever one of the old timers actually has success against someone who matches up well with the new guys husky weights. They automatically start saying the old big man had no skill or are is no where near the current crop. Ten Hoff looks like he'd fit right in the modern era.
     
  10. Man50

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    He moves a lot like the modern crop bouncing around light on his feet. His jab is a good one. Of course if he gained a few pounds his height and reach would see him stack up quite well with the modern heavies. His skill level is there. I believe he handled Marciano pretty well in a sparring session once.
     
  11. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    I think he probably would have been stopped by any decent modern fighter his own size (even if we imagine him with another 15-25lbs). Very easy to counter and land lead power punches on because he had no head movement and didn't seem very coordinated with his hands defensively. I've only seen a few of his fights (and snippets at that) but his jab didn't seem to have much snap on it either.
     
  12. Man50

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    I don't think so, your seeing him in their with a great fighter. He's easy to counter because Walcott is just that good. I think put him in their with a modern bigger slower heavy he would look much better. Again his jab might look slow because he's in their with Jersey Joe and other smaller heavies. Even Louis's jab looks slow when you see Walcott slipping it with ease.
     
  13. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Never said that his jab was slow, just that it didn't seem like he really accomplished all that much with it. Wasn't very accurate or impactful. That combined with the defensive flaws I've mentioned in this thread lead me to believe that decent big men with bigger reaches than Walcott wouldn't have much problem tapping his jaw. And it wasn't just a matter of Walcott doing anything special-- it went even worse for him against Ingo.
     
  14. Man50

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    I agree he didn't seem to get much with it. I believe one of the main reasons is he's in their with fast guys. Walcott was too good made him look bad like he did a lot of good heavies. How is a bigger reach going to help them do any better than Walcott? I don't see any modern heavies with hands as fast as JJW. He was past his prime against Ingo. Besides Ingo had good pop and could KO a lot of heavies when he landed.