Muhammad Ali versus Andrew Golota

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Moralman, May 15, 2008.


  1. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Thanks for thanking my suggestion for this fantasy matchup, MM!:!:

    I've given it some thought & here goes...

    From the looks of the voting, way too many misinformed people assume Ali wins simply because of his self-proclaimed title, The Greatest. But lets be realistic & take a closer look. Truth is: - You assume this because people are voting for Ali? He has the best resume in Boxing, and had faster hands, a longer reach, a better chin, and better footwork than Golota.

    >If Joe Frazier could make his jaw the size of a watermelon & put him on his back... - We aren't comparing Frazier to Golota are we? Frazier was a vastle superior fighter to any version of Golota, and as someone previously mentioned, Ali got straight back up and fought till the very last bell. It's credit to Ali that he could be that competitive considering the circumstances, take such a shot, and still fight on.

    >If Ken Norton could break his jaw... - We're now talking about a declining Muhammad Ali? A prime Ali isn't a 1971 Ali, but I think even that version of Ali doesn't lose to Norton.

    >If Big George could force him to rope-a-dope for half a fight... - At the time, Foreman had just demolished two hall of fame Heavyweights, and was considered to be one of the most powerful champions to have ever laced up the gloves. Watching the fight these days, Ali was never being beaten. I had him at least a head on the cards going into the 8th, the round in which he stopped big George. The same man who 20 years on, won the title in Golota's era.

    >If Jimmy Young could outbox him badly... - A bad version of Ali, who still managed to edge Young out on the cards. People think this was a robbery just because Ali didn't dominate, but truth is, it as a pick-um fight. 1971 Ali badly outboxes Young and probably stops him late.

    >If Earnie Shavers could rock his kin-folk back in Africa... - Shavers didn't ever actually knockdown the champion, whereas he was able to put a prime Holmes on his ass and give him one of his toughest fights. Ali was more than competitive and beat Shavers even though he was into the twilight of his career. Exceptional.

    >If Wepner was even able to get his attention... - Ali coasted him for most part, and still dominated him over 15 rounds.

    >If Michael Spinks could beat him from pillar to post... - He never fought Michael Spinks, but this including with all of your other points are irrelevant. Let's bring up Leonard's fights with Norris, and Holmes fight with Tyson, and maybe even Tyson's with Lewis. They are all perfect ways to detract a great fighter, from bringing up all his tail end fights. Even though Ali won most of his regardless of his condition.

    Point is, Ali was overrated & handed many gift decisions & if the above mentioned fighters could have success against him, I think Golota puts up one hell of a fight & gives him all he can handle & more.
    Are we to assume Ali is the HW Champ is this fight? If thats the case & Golota doesn't manage to KO/TKO him, then Ali is handed a SD victory. Golota is robbed. Again. - You're clearly not the biggest Muhammad Ali fan. Ali has the best resume in boxing history, and in his prime looked as good as any fighter has ever looked. He was undefeated in his prime, but still came back after a long layoff to dominate one of the toughest Heavyweight divisions of all time. Golota isn't at his level. Ali would box circles round him from distance, popping out his jab and bruising up his face. Going into the later rounds, Golota gets tired and Ali hits hm with a right that staggers Golota, who is then peppered with furious combinations. The ref steps in.

    Ali is not overrated. Get off that ****.

    But I still feel Golota could force the issue due to his bute size advantage & with his skills, theres a very good chance of a stoppage win for Andy!
     
  2. Privatejoker

    Privatejoker Member Full Member

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    :lol: What the **** is going on? Golota would beat Ali? Based on what?

    He couldn't even beat a faded Riddick Bowe despite whipping him. AS soon as Bowe showed heart and never yielded to Golota, Golota started to panic by going for low blows in both fights.

    So it's Golota's fights with Bowe that make some people think that he would beat Ali?

    Golota has never won a big fight, and has quit on several occasions. Golota looked better skilled that night than he has ever done but still ****ed up.

    Using two fights as a basis for a Golota victory is dumb.
     
  3. Arriba

    Arriba Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Exactly..even though Golota has all the tools, Ali would have Golota brain****ed by the time the press conference to announce the fight came around.

    Golota would crumble under the mental stress Ali would bring.
     
  4. MancMexican

    MancMexican Blood & Guts Forever Full Member

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    Golota would embarrass himself as per usual
     
  5. 196osh

    196osh Mendes Bros. Full Member

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    I beg to differ my good man.

    Ali would embarrass Golota. :yep
     
  6. Moralman

    Moralman Member Full Member

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    Dear JETSKI
    kind regards
    In response to your comments.

    Joe Frazier could make many fighter's jaw the size of a watermelon, including Golota's jaw.
    Frazier was an ATG Heavyweight elite boxer who provided a great challenge to Ali due to his style of getting under big men's guards.

    Ken Norton was a good puncher, he could likely break Golota's jaw too if he caught him with a similar punch.
    However, I think that Golota would whip Norton easily.

    :lol:

    Oh c'mon, you must be having a laugh?
    Ali dictated that fight against Foreman by drawing him in, allowing him to expand all of his energy and then he took him out.
    How many boxers could take Foreman's monstrous shots?
    Foreman would destroy Golota with ease.

    These matches were in the latter stage of his career but he still won them.

    I appreciate your input, but I think that you are definately biased towards Golota, but I can understand you supporting your hero.
    I like Golota and always have done, but he would get torn apart by Muhammad Ali.
    yours thankfully
    John
     
  7. ron u.k.

    ron u.k. Boxing Addict banned

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    don't know how people could even consider this a serious ask.ali is superior in every department apart from a little bit of punching power,and even here ali hit a lot harder than people thought.however when you get down to the nitty gritty he had one thing in abundance more than golota and that was heart.golota doesn't beat ali in a million years.
     
  8. aliwasthegreatest

    aliwasthegreatest Well-Known Member Full Member

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    the only glaring weakness Ali has in this fight is his weakness against a returning jab after his. it disrupts his rhythm and makes him look slightly out of place. Golota did have a very good jab. However Ali's handspeed would be the difference. it would keep Golota completely out of rhythm and unable to really mount any sort of decent offense
     
  9. Moralman

    Moralman Member Full Member

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    Dear aliwasthegreatest
    kind regards
    Golota had a very good jab, but how many of those jabs would he land against a prime Muhammad Ali?
    Muhammad Ali was excellent at dodging punches, including a crisp jab, especially so when he was at his zenith during the 1960's.
    When Golota fought Bowe he was taking on a standing target, Bowe was never a hard man to hit.
    Holyfield hit him frequently in all of his matches with Bowe, but Bowe's punching power was the decision maker.
    Bowe depended on his skills and power against Golota but he had to do it as a standing victimizer or victim, it was the later in his case.
    Ali's head movement was magnificent, Golota wouldn't even be able to use his jab and combos effectively.
    I think that Ali would destroy Golota's morale very early on, the irony is that Golota would be beaten by using his own game plan.
    Lewis and Brewster took Golota out before he got his game plan going, Golota wants to jab, throw combos and make his opponent submit.
    Ali would give Golota enough rounds to get his game plan going, but he wouldn't be able to do it because Ali would be too good.
    Golota's jab would be failing because of Ali's head movement, Ali's jab and combos would be giving Golota fits.
    Golota would either get himself disqualified or quit like he did against Tyson.
    There is no doubt as to the outcome of this match but I will be giving my official analysis of this match later.
    yours thankfully
    John
     
  10. vonBanditos

    vonBanditos M΃derator Full Member

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    Without getting technical, which I'm probably not capable of anyway, I'd say that Ali's deliberate use of mind games would be a significant part of the fight. I don't believe that Golota would be capable of being completely focused.
     
  11. Moralman

    Moralman Member Full Member

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    Dear vonbanditos
    kind regards
    I agree with you.
    Ali would probably make fun of Golota mercilessly and make up a lymeric poem about him.
    It would be something along these lines.

    There was a man called Golota.
    He is completely insane and off his rocker.
    He is a badden, an elitist among the criminal poles.
    Everytime he faces an opponent, they get hit in the balls.
    My God what a silly looking face Golota has!

    :lol:

    I sincerely hope that was a good attempt.
    yours thankfully
    John


     
  12. TheGreat

    TheGreat Boxing Junkie banned

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    Golota has never won a big fight in his life, he either folds or gets KTFO.
    Bowe- Golota was in complete control but panicked when a shot Bowe fought back.
    Grant-on his back and quit as soon as Grant fought back even though he was dominating.
    Tyson-On his back and quit before he could get KTFO.
    Brewster- Got KTFO.
    Lewis- Got KTFO.
    Crisp Turd- Fought Golota toe to toe and still retained his title.
    Ruiz- old huggybear had a late rally to win a UD.
     
  13. El Matador

    El Matador Your Boxing Authority Full Member

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    Precisely. And for the record, I would pick Muhammad Ali to defeat every name you just mentioned, although I would say Riddick Bowe would give him his toughest test in the bunch.
     
  14. jdoro63

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    If Muhammad Ali and Andrew Golota touched gloves in the ring, we would have gotten 15 rounds of back-and-forth, give-and-take savagery. I believe this kind of war would have finished Andrew and he probably would not have fought again (especially if he won). The only version of Golota that could defeat Ali is the '96 one from the Bowe fights. Depending on where the bout is staged, the outcome of this duel would have potentially shocked the world. If Ali-Golota would have been held in New York (MSG), then Andrew gets screwed by the judges again. But if it were to take place in a more neutral venue outside of New York and MSG (such as Florida) then the Polish hero squeaks out a very tight decision. Boxing is driven by immeasurable factors where politics and what ensues outside the ring play a role in the outcome before a punch is even thrown (see Holyfield-Lewis I, Byrd-Golota, Ruiz-Golota, De La Hoya-Trinidad).
     
  15. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    Ali is his prime would have beaten Golota, but the Ali that Holmes fought, probably not.......................Ali was sick during the Holmes fight but Don King did not care.................