Should Wilfredo Gomez' record of 17 successive KOs in title defenses stand ?

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  1. alspacka

    alspacka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    ****. Kov vs ward ain't gonna be sanctioned.
     
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  2. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me Full Member

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    WTF are you talking about? That is a common occurrence, especially with older fight records. Just about everybody knows that. You think BoxRec's database somehow just magically filled itself out? No, it relies on human effort which brings right along with it human error and oversight (and simple lack of available records, which is nobody's fault, just something bound to happen over time).
     
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  3. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    Lol.


    Boxrec warriors don't know a God damn thing about boxing.
     
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  4. Capitan

    Capitan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Troll Alert...!!!
     
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  5. travolt

    travolt Trolling the trolls Full Member

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    At the time he faced Gomez, he had already 5 losses, one of which a 2 rds KO loss, 4 months before facing Gomez, vs a 4-0 fighter who never went anywhere.
    ( but i guess this guy who KO'd him had an incomplete record too ..)


    :rofl
    You're calling Mizuno a legit contender ? Who's the boxrec warrior here ?

    The Lopez win was a decision win at home in Thailand. I don't need to say more.


    I've checked that and you're correct. One might add the Ndukwu bout wasn't for the title either.

    So, we're left with a false record that should read 14 consecutive KO title defenses instead of 17.
    ( as written in Wikipedia:"His seventeen consecutive knockouts in championship defenses is a record for all boxing divisions.")

    Thanks for that clarification. :thumbsup
     
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  6. travolt

    travolt Trolling the trolls Full Member

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    You're correct, it was at super bantam, i've corrected the post.
     
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  7. travolt

    travolt Trolling the trolls Full Member

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    I agree that boxrec has incomplete records for a lot of lesser known fighters, but my point was Arguello was perfectly capable, for the reasons i stated, to face a novice and a 4-0 fighter before his title fight.

    You're not going to risk a title shot by getting cut or bruised just a few months before it.

    Makes perfect sense.

    And if Divac disagrees, then he better come with some proofs.
     
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  8. Warwick Hunt

    Warwick Hunt Active Member Full Member

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    Are you having a laugh? Some of the fighters fighting for "world titles" today, wouldn't have qualified as sparring partners 40 or 50 years ago.
     
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  9. WhataRock

    WhataRock VIP Member Full Member

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    Tamariz and Hernandez claimed far better records coming into the fight with Gomez.

    Even Sugar Ray Robinson has fights missing from his boxrec record.
     
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  10. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    * Tirado was a legitimate contender who was rated in the top 5 at bantamweight in 1976 (Ring wasn't rating 122lb fighters at that point. ). He had five losses, but had good results againsy rated, championship caliber fighters, too.

    * Mizuno operated on the fringes of contention (he split a couple with Tiger Osono, who was another fringe contender at the time).

    * Sakad's victory over Rodriguez was by all accounts legitimate.

    And...

    * 17 consecutive title defenses is correct. Gomez never relinquished the WBC 122lb belt, and made three successful defenses of the belt after losing to Sanchez. Hence, 17 defenses of the belt were made over the course of a continuous, uninterrupted reign.

    You're welcome for the clarification. :good
     
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  11. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    Beat me to it lmao
     
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  12. Limerickbox

    Limerickbox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pretty much everyone he fought over a 10 year period with a couple of exceptions was a top 10 ranked fighter
     
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  13. Leonit

    Leonit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm not a specialist of his career but his biggest win was probably against Zarate. His fight against Pintor is one of the greatest fights of all time.
     
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  14. travolt

    travolt Trolling the trolls Full Member

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    Ok, you're right about the 17 consecutive defenses, i see that now.

    For the rest:

    - All Tirado did in his career up to the Gomez fight was, besides losing 5 fights and drawing 3 out of 18, a SD decision win vs Davilla. And, as i wrote, he was ko'd just 3 months before his title fight by a 4-0 novice that went nowhere afterwards.

    - As far as Sakad goes:

    .Mizuno wasn't a contender, as you wrote.

    ."Sakad's victory over Rodriguez was by all accounts legitimate"

    I guess we'll just have to take your word for that, since you gave no scores or report to check.
    It reminds me of Chris Jones beating by all accounts Juan Manuel Marquez in Indonesia, by quite an unanimously comfortable score too...

    Beating 2 fringe boxing contenders, one by decision, does not qualifies anyone to fight for the title in only his third pro fight, and at only 20 years old, even if coming from Muay Thai championship pool.

    Gomez barely broke a sweat starching this teenager in 3, the quickest he ever defended his title ( with 2 others boxers), which proves indeed he wasn't ready for it.

    I'm going to have to keep my opinion on these two being not worthy challengers.
     
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  15. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    Every champ has had their share of bums, so enough with the nonsense voiding a legend like Gomez's ko record just cuz you say so. You'll find out many former kickboxing champions made the transition to pro boxing late, they weren't spring chickens. That's why the current record, still held today, tied with Lomanchenko with becoming world champ in his 3rd fight, is by Muangsurin, who is... Wait for it.. A Thai! Surprise surprise! And he's not the only one, Veerapol Sahaprom won his belt in his 7th fight, another Thai. These aren't bums by any means, as Petchiyendee was not. Read this piece.

    The Filipino Promoter - Lope Sarreal wanted to promote Sakad in a Championship bout right away, in an attempt to
    set a record for a fighter winning a championship in only his 'second-bout'.

    But the WBC said no, and wanted Sakad to have at least one more bout against a capable opponent.

    January 14, 1978 (Provincial Hall - Buriram, Thailand)

    Attendance; 8000

    Sakad, now 20 years-old, took on the #5 Japanese Super-Bantamweight - Hisami Mizuno 23-7-0 (12 KO's), who was
    a good fighter. Hisami had fought some of the better 122 lb. fighters in Japan and Korea, and had also never
    been floored, or stopped in a bout.

    Sakad proved again that he was a world class fighter, when he dropped the durable Mizuno in Round 2, and pounded
    him relentlessly, and floored him 'twice' in Round 6, enroute to a 'knockout' KO 6.

    Sakad was now 2-0-0 (1 KO's), and was ranked as the #4 WBC Super-Bantamweight.
     
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