My Top 10 Rankings Division By Division-From Heavyweight To Minimumweight. And Yours?

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  1. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    :goodThanks. The feeling's mutual, you're growing on me as well, and I'm about 75/25 in agreement with your opinions.:yep
     
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  2. qwertyblahblah

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    It's fun and interesting but a bit tricky rating based on skill and head to head prediction, because the triangle theory doesn't always hold and a fighter could handle one guy easily but have a stylistic disadvantage with another. I'm not going to do a top 10 at every division at the moment, but here's a few I'd rate differently, and I'm curious with your reasoning about...

    Gilberto Ramirez isn't anything special and looks out of place as the 3rd best super middlweight. Jack and Dirrell are both sharper and quicker and I think beat him.

    Despite probably being more limited than his twin, Jermell I think beats guys like Trout and Andrade. Did you think Vanes beat him, to rate him higher? Likewise, you'd take Trout in a rematch with Cotto, after one-sidedly licking him, and giving Canelo a closer fight than Cotto did?

    Hate to echo Hans, but I think the young, strong, technically well-rounded Brook is the best welterweight at the moment, and definitely beats Pac.

    Bold declaring Postol better than Crawford, but though I think Crawford solves him it would be a great matchup.

    Is Terry Flanagan really that good? It's hard to see that he's truly even on world level based on how he won his last two fights. Argenis Mendez beat Vazquez, so surely he's top 10. I still really like that guy, good smooth, slick boxer, and could be elite if he could take a punch.
     
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  3. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    I rate Gilberto so highly because with him looks can be deceiving, he doesn't really look like anything special, yet somehow he shuts out almost ever opponent he's ever had with relative ease, Edwards who KO'd Jack and almost KO'd Dirrell didn't win a round against him or come close to hurting him, Khatchkian who's awkward as hell and had Degale's face marked up, while nailing Zurdo a few times, he didn't win a round. Vlasov who's a vey underrated Light Heavyweight who shuts most opponents out except for Chilemba and who doesn't have a close match with Chilemba, lost almost every round against Ramirez, he's just rangy enough and hard hitting enough to make opponents weary and to be a handful for most of the top SMW's and probably beat them all. Dirrell and Degale may cause him some problems, I think he beats Jack, Chudinov, Bute, Abraham and Murray.

    At this point Brook may beat Manny, but since Manny is still around, and is still good enough to beat almost everyone else at WW, I gave him the top spot, because even still Brook won't have an easy time of it.

    Postol Crawford is a hard call, Postol is so tall, rangy and awkward, and his jab is so efficient, Crawford will have to attack him, because Viktor won't come to Bud, so it might make Crawford do something that is unnatural to him.

    Flanagan is pretty damn good and the fact that he KO'd Diego Magdaleno with such ease impressed the hell out of me, I think Verdejo beats him eventually and a few others and him vs Linares is a toss up. As far as Mendez goes I did the RBR for that fight, Mendez lost 7-3 but Vazquez got robbed which has become quite a common occurrence lately with him.
     
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  4. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    98% of the posters can't come up with a full list like this, unless its a copy and paste type of job.
     
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  5. MVC!

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    You underrate him severely, he's a very good fighter and could possibly rule 168.

    Beat 2 guys not many expected him to beat. :bart
     
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  6. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    Well let's be honest here, that's because everyone was overrating Anthony Dirrell's power and he barely and I mean barely eked by Groves. We all overestimated their ability not underestimated his.
     
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  7. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    Updated Lists:deal

    HEAVYWEIGHT
    1. Tyson Fury
    2. Wladimir Klitschko
    3. Alexander Povetkin
    4. Deontay Wilder
    5. Luis Ortiz
    6. Anthony Joshua
    7. Joseph Parker
    8. Charles Martin
    9. Lucas Browne
    10. Bryant Jennings

    Honorable Mention: Pulev, Takam, Helenius, Teper

    CRUISERWEIGHT
    1. Denis Lebedev
    2. Grigory Drozd
    3. Krzysztof Glowacki
    4. Oleksandr Usyk
    5. Ilunga Makabu
    6. Marco Huck
    7. Mairis Briedis
    8. Victor Emilio Ramirez
    9. Thabiso Mchunu
    10. Krzysztof Wlodarcyzk


    HM: Afolabi, McKenzie, Durodola, Kudryashov, Shumenov

    LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT
    1. Sergey Kovalev
    2. Artur Beterbiev
    3. Adonis Stevenson
    4. Oleksandr Gvozdyk
    5. Dmitry Bivol
    6. Andrzej Fonfara
    7. Vyacheslav Shabranskyy
    8. Juergen Braehmer
    9. Sullivan Barrera
    10. Yunieski Gonzalez


    HM: Pascal, Rodriguez, Cleverly, Browne, Ward?

    SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT
    1. James Degale
    2. Arthur Abraham
    3. Gilberto Ramirez
    4. Lucian Bute
    5. Fedor Chudinov
    6. Callum Smith
    7. Badou Jack
    8. Andre Dirrell
    9. George Groves
    10. Martin Murray

    MIDDLEWEIGHT
    1. Gennady Golovkin
    2. Saul Alvarez
    3. Billy Joe Saunders
    4. David Lemieux
    5. Andy Lee
    6. Daniel Jacobs
    7. Sergey Derevyanchenko
    8. Ievgen Khytrov
    9. Daniel Jacobs
    10. Chris Eubank Jr.

    HM: Heiland, Khurtsidze, Quillin, N'Dam, Murata

    LIGHT MIDDLEWEIGHT
    1. Erislandy Lara
    2. Julian Williams
    3. Michel Soro
    4. Jermall Charlo
    5. Miguel Cotto
    6. Austin Trout
    7. Liam Smith
    8. Demetrius Andrade
    9. Vanes Martirosyan
    10. Jermell Charlo

    WELTERWEIGHT
    1. Manny Pcquiao
    2. Tim Bradley
    3. Kell Brook
    4. Shawn Porter
    5. Keith Thurman
    6. Jessie Vargas
    7. Errol Spence
    8. Danny Garcia
    9. Dmitry Mikhaylenko
    10. Sammy Vasquez

    HM: Algieri, F. Diaz, Ponomarev, Guerrero, Peterson, Chaves, Shelestyuk


    LIGHT WELTERWEIGHT
    1. Viktor Postol
    2. Terence Crawford
    3. Eduard Troyanovsky
    4. Lucas Matthysse
    5. Ruslan Provodnikov
    6. Mauricio Herrera
    7. Adrien Broner
    8. Rances Barthelemy
    9. Keita Obara
    10. Jose Benavidez

    HM: Granados, Figueroa, Cuenca, Gomez, Lipinets, Caterall

    LIGHTWEIGHT
    1. Terry Flanagan
    2. Jorge Linares
    3. Felix Verdejo
    4. Miguel Vazquez
    5. Ismael Barroso
    6. Dejan Zlaticanin
    7. Saul Rodriguez
    8. Denis Shafikov
    9. Anthony Crolla
    10. Stephen Ormond


    SUPER FEATHERWEIGHT
    1. Takashi Uchiyama
    2. Francisco Vargas
    3. Takashi Miura
    4. Jose Pedraza
    5. Oscar Valdez
    6. Orlando Salido
    7. Nicolas Walters
    8. Javier Fortuna
    9. Miguel Berchelt
    10. Rocky Martinez


    FEATHERWEIGHT
    1. Vasyl Lomachenko
    2. Leo Santa Cruz
    3. Jesus Marcelo Andres Cuellar
    4. Gary Russell Jr.
    5. Lee Selby
    6. Abner Mares
    7. Josh Warrington
    8. Oscar Escandon
    9. Julian Ramirez
    10. Joseph Diaz


    SUPER BANTAMWEIGHT
    1. Guillermo Rigondeaux
    2. Carl Frampton
    3. Nonito Donaire
    4. Scott Quigg
    5. Diego De La Hoya
    6. Moises Flores
    7. Jonathan Guzman
    8. Gavin McDonnell
    9. Shingo Wake
    10. Randy Caballero

    BANTAMWEIGHT
    1. Jamie McDonnell
    2. Shinsuke Yamanaka
    3. Lee Haskins
    4. Juan Carlos Payano
    5. Tomoki Kameda
    6. Anselmo Moreno
    7. Ryan Burnett
    8. Suriyan Sor Rungvisai
    9. Marlon Tapales
    10. Shohei Omori

    SUPER FLYWEIGHT
    1. Naoya Inoue
    2. Carlos Cuadras
    3. McJoe Arroyo
    4. Sho Ishida
    5. Arthur Villanueva
    6. Zolani Tete
    7. Luis Concepcion
    8. Kohei Kono
    9. David Sanchez
    10. Koki Eto


    FLYWEIGHT
    1. Roman Gonzalez
    2. Juan Francisco Estrada
    3. Kazuto Ioka
    4. Amnat Ruenroeng
    5. Juan Carlos Reveco
    6. Brian Viloria
    7. Johnriel Casimero
    8. McWilliams Arroyo
    9. Daigo Higa
    10. Moises Fuentes

    LIGHT FLYWEIGHT
    1. Donnie Nietes
    2. Ryoichi Taguchi
    3. Akira Yaegashi
    4. Pedro Guevara
    5. Francisco Rodriguez Jr.
    6. Jonathan Taconing
    7. Ganigan Lopez
    8. Javier Mendoza
    9. Yu Kimura
    10. Rey Loreto


    * Not an aficionado on this one Top 5 I know fairly well.



    MINIMUMWEIGHT
    1. Wanheng Menayothin
    2. Katsunara Takayama
    3. Knockout CP Freshmart
    4. Kosei Tanaka
    5. Hekkie Budler
    6. Ryuji Hara
    7. Carlos Buitrago
    8. Fahlan Sakkreerin Jr
    9. Go Odaira
    10. Jesus Silvestre

    * Not an aficionado on this one Top 6 I know fairly well.
     
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  8. Staminakills

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    Way too many fighters to rate, and I can only totally disagree with your hw ,ww rankings and not having ward in the top frigging 10 of lhw, smw or a hybrid.

    Hw
    Joshua
    Wilder
    Ortiz
    Haye
    Fury
    Then I really don't know,,don't rate after top 5 and wlad was so poor last outing I can't see him at 40 changing completely for the better.

    Lhw
    Have to have ward top 5, I can't pretend he retired. Maybe really top 3.

    Ww
    Spence
    Brook
    Thurman
    Idk any longee, needs to be weeded out
     
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  9. Jacko

    Jacko Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Your list is a mix of your eye test, as you call it, and resume, yet you still rate Joshua above Martin. Are you changing your mind about the AJ v Martin fight?
     
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  10. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    No, I'm itching to switch their places.:yep But since at this point AJ has the slightly better resume, he goes ahead of Charles, but not for long.:hey
     
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  11. Jacko

    Jacko Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Haha, we shall see.
     
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  12. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    Gotta wait and see if Ward can actually beat Barrera, and there is no guarantee he can, he hasn't fought at LW yet, so he doesn't rank yet. But depending on how he looks or if he gets by Barrera then I'll rank him, but until then.:bart
     
    CST80, Mar 15, 2016
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  13. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    I have my fingers and toes crossed that it goes my way, otherwise I'm going to end up looking like a huge ass.:oops::D
     
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  14. Boxing2016

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    Where is Amir khan?
     
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  15. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    He's a Middleweight now hadn't you heard? Can't rank him until I see how he performs.:deal
     
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