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:huh Don't understand what you're saying. This era has already sent him away. He wasn't good enough to beat the first guy he met from it.
Ward vs Moorer @ heavyweight, who you got (This is assuming Ward destroys Kovalev, not that he will but in context of this fight) Usyk could be this generations Holyfield (except bigger and better) and I am certain he gets destroyed by Fury, Wilder, Ortiz and AJ
The 00s wasn't a particularly bad decade, it just came off the back of the 90s which was an exceptionally good one. I agree we're moving into a great time for heavyweight boxing, the division is what's popping right now. Let's Go Champ
One Klitschko went into it with a loss , the other Klitschko went out of it with a loss. They weren't good enough to win at the end of one good era or the start of this good era. :rofl
You're using past champs all from different eras against the top heavyweights of today. Check the top 10 of Ali's prime time... [url]http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine%27s_Annual_Ratings:_1966[/url] 3 of the top 10 was OVER 6''3'... 50 years later of heavyweight evolution only Povetkin's UNDER 6''3' And I'm the crazy one?! Tyson Fury's is the pinnacle of heavyweight boxing. That height, reach and weight combined with his speed and skills... You're just a hater of reality...
This is often what people believe when you have several undefeated champs. When you have a dominant champ people seem to say an era is weak as the dominant champ clears out the division, but when that champ is beaten or retires and new undefeated fighters appear suddenly people think it is better than it was, where as if these new fighters had often have fought the previous champ when prime, it is possible they would have lost and declared a nobody in a weak era. Now there is Fury, Wilder, Martin, Brown as undefeated champs it creates a big interest as well as some undefeated prospects. If Haye were to beat one of the champs or top prospects, would the era still be considered as good when Haye was beaten by Wlad? Some are interested in Wilders fight with Povetkin, but Povetkin was clearly beaten by Wlad and had a tough battle with blown up CW Huck, but there is an interest now
Thats the thing. when there is a dominant champ other fighters dont become greats as the dominant champ prevents that from happening. so in an era with a dominant champ you get what is considered a HOF champ in a weak era which often is not the case. Look at the Frazier, Ali, Foreman era and alot of it is dependant on the win/loss of the opponents with Frazier, Foreman, Ali in that one losses to one, but beats another etc. If there had of been a dominant champ who had of beaten all with ease, it would possibly not have been considered a good era, but it is considered good due to competitive bouts
Some say Lennox Lewis was the dominator of the 90's , but the 90's is regarded as a great era , so how can that be? Welter weight became the marquee division of the sport throughout Mayweeather's dominance. How can that be? Ottke was a 21 fight defendor. Who did he beat? Not noe Hall of famer. A bunch of nobodies. Calzage was a 21 fight defendor. Kessler is the best name he fought. Is he even a hall of famer? Both dominated a weak era. Its very difficult and rare to dominate in the UFC. Unlike boxing , there is just one belt and the champ has to defend it against the best in line , one after the other. Thats why its hard to stay at the top in MMA. It would be the same in boxing. Its hard to dominate a very good era. 70's was a great era and Frazier , Foreman and Ali were all great boxers , but also cos you had an excellent roster of contenders: Ken Norton Ron Lyle Jimmy Young Shavers Quarry Oscar Bonavena Larry Holmes
Good point. For instance, how about this scenario: Fury loses to Wlad in the rematch, then Wlad loses to Wilder (who has already beaten Povetkin). Wlad retires. Then Wilder loses to Joshua (who beat Martin and has a belt). Then, Fury eventually comes back and beats Joshua. Then he beats Wilder in a title defense. Wilder and Joshua don't lose to anyone else, at least for a long time. Fury stays a champ after that for maybe 3-5 years, racks up 8-12 consecutive title defenses, beating Wilder and or Joshua again at some point, retires without another loss. Fury would have a good claim at being GOAT at that point. He'd have beaten 3 different ATG's, in Wlad, Joshua, and Wilder. Probably better than if he just wins out, and Wilder and Joshua never have an ATG win on their resume, which would just leave him with a victory over one ATG twice. Bunch of different scenarios you can come up with like this, maybe its Joshua or Wilder that emerges, but if he goes undefeated, or loses to anyone other than someone already highly regarded, his reign probably won't have the luster that it would if he lost (and in so doing, create one or more ATG's) and then redeems himself by beating those ATG's.
Its all interesting. I think a great thing is that we get to see how it goes. If Joshua wins and makes a couple of defences and Fury wins the rematch and has a couple of defences, it would make for a great unification that would have fans talking
Eubank wasn't part of Joe's 168 era. Hopkins existed in a pretty good LHW era. Nobody dominated that.