Where does JL Sullivan rank as a HW ATG

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  1. Outstock

    Outstock PBR Full Member

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    you're a disgrace to the forum.
     
  2. Slavic Fighter

    Slavic Fighter Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Valuev beat Haye, it was a robbery
     
  3. SmackDaBum

    SmackDaBum TKO7 banned Full Member

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    No, you are!
     
  4. SmackDaBum

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    Ali had more body fat at 215 then what Wlad has at 245.

    201 vs 245 is about even in bodyfat precentage...

    Do you seriously think that Kovalev would be chasing shadows against Kahn?

    If Klitschko had the same BF% as Ali at 215 WLad would be weighting some thing around 255+ of pounds...

    Kovalev>Kahn

    Klitschko>Ali
     
  5. Outstock

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    If thats the case , Wlads performance was almost identical to a shot to bits Valauev.

    So it would seem that Wlad could do no better than Valeuv whose joints had given in by the time he fought Haye.

    And Haye is one of Wlads best wins and the fight was easily the biggest of his career.

    Now Haye is a total nothing man at HW. A complete ZERO. So this proves that Wlad is not very far detached from David Haye's level.

    Meaning that Wlads career and legacy is built on noting more than a shallow puddle of inept scrubs.
     
  6. Outstock

    Outstock PBR Full Member

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    Weight matters less the higher up you go.

    Wlads era was littered with MW,s , LHW's , CW's because their own natural weight divisions were to competitive.

    It was easier to move to HW and get big title fights.

    Comparing Ali - Wlad to Khan - Kovalev introduced me to a new level of stupid.
    That's ok if you are a little child though. Are you around 10 years of age?
     
  7. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Joe Louis gives up 50+ lb
    https://www.detroitathletic.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/joe-louis-primo-carnera.png


    Result
    http://media.gettyimages.com/photos...avyweight-champion-fights-picture-id167497943
     
  8. Leonit

    Leonit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ban this pseudo-slavic troll.
     
  9. SmackDaBum

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    A trully gifted boxer at Cruiserweight vs the HW champion - The result: http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Wladimir_Klitschko_vs._Eddie_Chambers

    Sad but true. CHambers would give Ali hell.

    As would Haye.
    And Byrd
    And Holyfield
    And Cunningham
    And Glazkov
    And Uzyk

    Size matters.

    Please look up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weight_class_(boxing)
     
  10. Leonit

    Leonit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Whatever you think about Ali his prime weight was around 215. If you have seen any footage of him or watched a complete fight you will realize that he will absolutely destroy a fighter like Wlad. He will crush him mentally in the build up way worst than Fury did. Can you imagine Ali to stop trying to win, like Wlad did against Fury? Maybe you are trolling, or maybe you genuinely confused. It's hard to say these days.
     
  11. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 The Empire Struck Back Full Member

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    You'd have prob got more sensible responses in the classic section. In response to your question though, I'll have to admit I don't have a clue.

    Looking at his purported height and weight I'll have to say I don't think he'd stand much of a chance against the super heavies of today but further than that I wouldn't possibly be able to comment.
     
  12. SmackDaBum

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    No, look at BF% and compare size instead.

    - "Weight matters less the higher up you go" - The most stupiest ever.

    So why are the modern heavyweights so huge today if size didn't matter?

    Even Ali were considered as a "Super Heavyweight" compared to the likes of Patterson and Marciano.

    Then: 6''2'+ and skilled - A super heavy!

    6''6'+ is "super heavy" today...

    Ali won against his competition due to his size more than Wladimir did against his comp...

    So Wlad must also be more skilled right?
     
  13. reznick

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    http://static.boxrec.com/thumb/7/75/1229_alicooperblood66.jpg/450px-1229_alicooperblood66.jpg

    201 pounds.

    He didn't weight over 214.5 pounds in his prime (66-67) His average weight during those prime years were 209.5 pounds.

    Prime Ali: 209.5 pounds, there you have it!

    The least that Klitschko weighted during his prime was 238 against Ibagrimov: http://i.lv3.hbo.com/assets/images/...-ibragimov/slideshows/fight-recap-06-1920.jpg

    The most Ali weighted during his prime was 214.5 against Chuvalo:
    http://m1.wholesite.com/2010/8/4/3e.../George_Chuvalo_and_Cassius_Clay_3_A_crop.jpg

    This was the heaviest Klitschko I could find: 249 pounds against Thompson 2: https://static-secure.guim.co.uk/sy...41706204593/Wladimir-Klitschko-batter-008.jpg

    Compare the BF%
     
  15. Outstock

    Outstock PBR Full Member

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    So why didn't 256 pound Buster Mathis beat Ali?