...say "fair enough, the hype is real, I think he's the real deal." Try and avoid saying Fury and Wilder, because if he beat both of them he'd be a lineal, all-conquering champ and you'd have no choice but to say he's the real deal! My point is, I think he is the real deal, but I'm basing that on gut instinct rather than evidence at this stage. I said the same of Carl Froch (exact words 'when Calzaghe is gone, he's going to be the boss.') before he'd fought anyone of note and was proven right on instinct. . ...But I also said the same of Kevin Mitchell (exact words, 'he'll unify lightweight and beat Khan on the way') and was proven not so right on instinct...atsch
Just goes to show the importance of 'living the life'. Convinced that Kev could have won a couple of titles if he'd looked after himself/not had troubles outside of the ring. Superb boxer on his night, good chin, could pop a bit. His dismantling of John Murray was superb...to follow up by losing to Ricky Burns was appalling. Probably a separate thread to be had on this 'boxers you thought were going to be the nuts...and it didn't work out'.
He could beat Fury and Wilder and the racists on here (Sugar 88, Primal Pledge etc) still wouldn't give him his dues as he is black.
Meh - not here for board politics, just chat boxing. I'm not saying it would happen (doubt the fight would get made), but if he splattered Ortiz for example, you'd either be an idiot or a complete hypocrite to not think he's for real.
It's not about board politics, it's the reality of the situation that no matter what he does, certain types of people will never give him the credit he deserves.
I think he's the real deal, but as said above, it's not based on evidence. He'll smash Brezeale, which isn't a good fight at all. If Parker can beat Takam and look good that would be a good win for him, because you'd presume Parker will be hungry and strong, wanting to win.
Haye and povetkin because they are both dangerous. But also both small which makes you think he should be beating those guys I suppose. Klitshko?
He'll beat them all except maybe Fury and Wilder and Ortiz. Those are the only ones that up for debate. All you need to be is big and athletic in this era - AJ is both. He'd be too big for the rest.
Haye (purely because of the British and 'unknown' angles), Pulev, Povetkin, Takam/Parker or Ortiz. They're what I think of as the 'upper tier gatekeeper', i.e. they're very good but one step down from the elite at HW (Wilder & AJ by virtue of the fact they're champs, Fury & Wlad, depending on what happens in their rematch). Hughie Fury would have been an interesting matchup but it's a waste of a fight now at this stage of their relative careers. Stiverne would have been a better, more impressive win this time out that Breazeale but clearly not possible outside the IBF top 15 (which isn't great). The Pulev/Chisora winner would be a good next fight. Lucas Browne would also be interesting depending on what happens with his drug test stuff. EDIT: Rankings updated yesterday: http://www.ibfusbaregistration.com/ibfusba_02APR2014/index.php/ratings/ibf-ratings?view=rankings 'Interesting' list shall we say... Hughie Fury and David Haye inside the top 15...
Yup, Haye. H Fury, I still don't think this fight is a non-starter even with AJ as champ. What a run in to a Tyson Fury fight. (I am not equating to the two, just saying each signifies something quite telling if AJ fought and beat either). Basically what Mark McBurney just said.
A J is just a product of his times , just lucky he's so big with limited skills and what appears to be a limited chin , , he's around at a time when theres not much good competition .. But to be considered more than a hype job , hw would have to fight and perform well against any of the following . Haye ,, Fury . Wilder , Vlad . Ortiz ,, not needing to beat them all just perform well .
Pretty much agree with this word for word - real pain in the **** about Stiverne - he would have been a great learning/test. If he'd blasted him out, gut instinct would be backed by evidence. For me, he bashes everyone (beats easily) except Wilder, Fury, Ortiz and Haye. I'd still have him (now) mild favourite against Wilder and Haye. Mild underdog against the other two - Fury could outsmart him, likewise Ortiz...but he's got the tools to beat them all.
Difficult one to answer. Although the heavyweight divisions improved in recent years theres still only about 6 or 7 that are any good. On paper guys like martin and breazeale should be good tests but when you actually watch them its pretty clear their relatively poor. Theres no real test out there for joshua until he takes on them six or seven names at the top of the tree. Just to add thought neither froch or mitchell werr destined for greatness. Due to the fact thry both struggled to get out the way of punches even at domestic/euro level. Froch totally proved me wrong probably because his chin was unbelievable when you consider how many shots he took. Mitchell you could see what happened to him against katsidaz coming a mile away after watching i think it was the carl johansson fight.