Fighting without the jab

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  1. Slavic Fighter

    Slavic Fighter Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What are in your opinion some of the best strategies to fight without using the jab a lot?

    I don't throw a lot of jabs because I'm short for my weight with a short reach. I simply don't like to jab with fighters who have an enormous reach advantage like 20cm (which is like 8 inch). I hate it when people talk as if the jab is the most important tool in boxing and so on. You can easily fight without being dependent on the jab and if you're at a huge reach disadvantage more often than not it's simply not optimal to be jabbing so it's better to adopt other styles of fighting. I don't understand why fighters with short reach should be so obsessed about the jab.

    Personally I really like Roy's style and leading with the left hook. People think that if you want to copy whatever RJJ used you need to be ultra-fast but I don't think this it's necessarily so. Lead left hook is a solid tool in boxing and can be used by anyone. It works for me. Lead right hand is great too once you get the hang of it.

    One of the things I noticed that if you don't use the jab a lot but rather lead with left hook, right hand as well as the occasional jab it intimidates people. They become hesitant and don't know what to expect from you. People I fight with are used to the basic orthodox styles where fighters would set up everything with the jab and don't know how to deal with something different.
     
  2. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Depends on how you use the jab. It isn't a power punch. You don't have to knock the other guy out with it. You use it to get on the inside if you're short. Watch Tyson.
     
  3. Smithson

    Smithson Active Member Full Member

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    No matter what your height/weight is in boxing a jab can only be beneficial, your kidding yourself if you think otherwise. It doesn't need to be main weapon by any means or like the above said it doesn't need to have power but it will always be effective. It's the safest and quickest punch you can throw.
     
  4. SteelShoulders

    SteelShoulders Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Anyone who doesn't work off a jab, from the breh in his basement to anyone s****ping outside to professional boxers, is an idiot. I guess if you use a lead right or lead check hook? But both are poor strategies. The jab is like the foundation of a house.
     
  5. punji_boxing

    punji_boxing Member Full Member

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    I need to work on my jab lol.

    Sometimes when I spar.... I am told I am just waiting there to counter the guy.

    Back to the gym for me lol...
     
  6. TinFoilHat

    TinFoilHat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Having a good jab is important. It will make your opponent worry about the straight right hand lead, the lead left hook more as well. THis is because it adds another possibility he will need to react to for an opener. I would often times try to use my jab to move my opponents hand in front of his face. I would train him over the course of maybe 30 seconds to block my jab to his face. It was good enough so that he didn't want to get hit with it. Then I would just throw a short quick left hook, and often times the opponent would read it as a jab since they had just gotten used to me throwing those and it would be an easy connect to the side of the head. I would usually follow this with a straight right. I'd maybe do this 2x-3x during a good round. I'd end up with 4-6 solid clean power punches. But the jab can also be used to setup other combination and score on its own (if you have a really good jab).
     
  7. r1p00pk

    r1p00pk Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You use the jab just as much as a taller fighter. See this is what the basics of what you should do.

    Jab, gauge reaction
    If you notice he counters back with a jab straight, you jab, anticipate the jab straight by parrying the jab then throw your own right to the body or throw up top after slipping his right.

    The jab is the most important tool, without one you will get tooled, but everyone has a different purpose for it.

    The whole point of throwing many jabs is that eventually it sets up faints for lead left hooks or straights like the ones you see rjj doing.

    Throw a jab to the body enough times, feint the jab to the body then come up with a left hook lead up top.
     
  8. rodney

    rodney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The jab - the most important punch in boxing for all styles. So you don't want to use it ? Then you will right up there in the stupid category.
     
  9. JagOfTroy

    JagOfTroy Jag Full Member

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    How to fight without a Jab... bring a crowbar. :yep
     
  10. NapolesCokes

    NapolesCokes New Member Full Member

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    Along the lines of what others have said, I would like to add that the jab should not be thought of as a tool only for the rangy, or as a points scorer for the fleet-of-foot, but rather as, regardless of build or style, your cheapest punch.

    The jab costs you little in energy, balance or guard, and of your àrsenal it is the quickest punch you have. It is expendable, like a pawn, and affords you, of all punches, the best risk:reward ratio.

    It's no myth that a skilled jabber can command a fight, set its range and pace and win convincingly on just that punch alone.
     
  11. Slavic Fighter

    Slavic Fighter Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I never meant fighting like not using the jab at all, but building a game around leading with left hooks and right hands as well as the jab.
     
  12. BoxinScienceUSA

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    slavic fighter, its great that you've been disciplined with footwork. a lot in your situation neglect it. it will pay off. use that same discipline with the jab.

    -if there's a big height difference,instead of jabbing at the face, go to the chest. use it like a blind man's stick. once you hit something then throw the right hand, leading into combinations. if you keep focused on their chest, and when/if their hands start to drop to protect where you keep hitting them, THEN start going to the head
    -once you're in there, stay in there and WORK
    -flip a pattern ... set it by backing up and boxing, make him come after you, and when he starts stepping up to you, counter coming in
    -when you counter, double the jab while stepping hard ( instead of catch and jab, go catch-jab-jab with your head off center line)
    -master using feints, and counter off their mistakes
    -counter with straight shots to body to get inside and come back up top
     
  13. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    The jab is so overrated it's not funny. If you're a fast, explosive sort of fighter with short reach then it's almost completely useless, you're better off learning how to throw your lead hand as a straight by switching stances. See Lomachenko and Gamboa. For explosive fighters it should be used as a feint to invite counter opportunities and that's it.
     
  14. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    Watch Olivares at his best and his jab...he controlled distance and drew leads he could counter. The jab can be a way to win a fight; more often it is the means to an end, whether you throw it or it is coming at you.
     
  15. BoxinScienceUSA

    BoxinScienceUSA Member Full Member

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    a valid opinion. the same can be said for elite amateurs looking for a clean, hard POINT with a counter. but for a beginner/entry level boxer using the jab will teach them when and how to use those feints. use your jab to draw action from your opponent and counter. then take 40% away from the mechanics of your jab, essentially making it a feint, and time those same counters.

    also, feints work best if the opponent fears something (ex. a hard jab will make your opponent push to catch the jab, and when they start reaching out, THEN you fake and when he reaches you come around with the hook)