Did Dempsey double-cross Fulton?

Lo these many, many decades of reading boxing history, I have NEVER read about Dempsey double crossing Fred Futon and flattening Fulton in about 14 seconds....NEVER have I read about this on ESB or other boxing forums until you
who "don't hate Dempsey ", NINETY EIGHT years later springs this suddenly
for no darn reason but to pile on and diminish his legacy further...And you S,
think you are impartial to Jack Dempsey ?. I might be "ould" by I still have my wits about me, and admire every fighter of note who risk their lives every time they enter the ring to entertain us, including your favorite punching bag
Jack Dempsey who you love to disparage time and again...It is apparent to any thoughtful poster on ESB...ciao...

 

Burt is king !!!

 

Well, I've read what you have read.
I wouldn't know how to "look further into" it.
Seems like a fairly unoriginal and childish excuse for losing. Reporters did like anything that had "fixed" or "fake" bout for a headline though so in that regard it was good enough.

Could it be true ? Yeah. It could be.
Also, Don King might have pumped poison gas into Berbick's hotel room prior to the Tyson fight.
But most likely Berbick was a paranoid schizophrenic looking for an excuse years later.
And most likely Fred Fulton was a sore loser trying to erase an utterly humiliating defeat and salvage a good record.

 

And a WOOF, WOOF to you...

 

the answer that makes most sense to me

 

Historical fiction doesnt make it true, of course it was a national story duh! Writers always love controversy, don't let the truth get in the way of a good story, is the saying. You have already drowned so you can stop grabbing straws, a NATIONAL storyatsch, it's still fiction. Just to educate YOU, writers always love rumors especially in the time when newspapers ruled the roost. For a prime example, now that the internet rules, look at how many rumors they posted as facts turned out not to be true. OMG I still cant believe you said it was a NATIONAL story, like that made it more legit. Post those articles, so WE can see the fiction and decide for ourselves, how much historical fiction is in those articles.

 

If this was a valid "national story" why have I NEVER, EVER read this tale in
sixty or more years of reading boxing magazines, newspapers, etc. before ?
Plus what other poster on this site would suddenly and without prejudice
stumble on a newspaper article in 1919 describing a boxer by happenstance,who
just happens to be a fighter namely Jack Dempsey, by sheer coincidence ?.
No sir folks , it is properly called mud slinging....

 

My knowing or not knowing how to use the quote button has absolutely no bearing on what I write. Cos I always try to differentiate my posts from the the original post. It's not hat hard, when I do learn to use the quote you will still get the same stuff from me.

Pray tell what anti intellectual plate? you started a thread based on historical fiction, so you must mean YOUR intellectual plate. I love it when you try to sound intellectual.

C'mon even many alts posts links to articles, sounds like an intellectual copout

Please stop embarrassing yourself you know better or should.

We don't have to, cos it's historical fiction, why would anyone but you who are looking to bait people, waste their time looking into a a BS story.

Who do you really think believes this is the reason you started this thread.
I do thank you for motivating me to find out how to use the quote button, I do hope I have made my posts easier to read.

 

The same is true of almost every great heavyweight and every good contender with a good manager so I'd be surprised if Dempsey wasn't fed some set-ups on the way up. Harry Wills was accused of the same things, and it was true. I don't buy Battling Levinsky and Fred Fulton's excuses though. For the reasons janitor mentioned.

 

Fulton was legitimate fighter and was almost certainly knocked out legitimately. Even Fulton says so. Fulton's complaint is that the fight was legit
I seriously doubt Dempsey double-crossed him, and if he did then shame on Fulton. As has been noted, protect yourself at all times.

Well, we can pretty much call any fight a "set up" when it's a mismatch or the opponent seems to go down without being hit properly, or quits too easily. Out of fear or for financial gain. Such fights happen all the time. It is the norm.

Yes, many fans would be put off if they understood how many fights are fraudulent, how many poor performances are contrived, and how many fighters have figured out that making a career of losing fights is the better option than winning some and then sat waiting for the phone to ring and it never will.

But some of us who know the score know all this stuff anyway. We see it with our own eyes and understand what it is.
Professional boxing is crooked and often a sham. This is old news.

 

Wah, you don't want to play anymore, it kills you doesnt it that Dempsey is still Dempsey the icon.