deontay wilder best heavy not to have fought anyone.

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  1. sean

    sean pale peice of pig`s ear Full Member

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    deontay has talent

    rare for a man his size to have good movement and power.

    but his resume of 36 fights is very poor
    virtualy every opponent is handpicked / no threat to him and he has not ironed out his faults because of this.

    they have the tools to work with / but deontay still makes the same mistakes he was making now in his 36 fight he made in his 6th fight.

    IMO down to poor matchmaking.

    because of his opposition and his own talent he has got away with it so far but when matched in 50/50 type fights with fighters like ortiz/klitchko/joshua/parker/fury
    he will not have the experience of what to do to fall back on and will have to learn v a top 10 fighter something he should have learnt on the way up.

    i think he will get past povetkin using his size and reach / but loses that advantage against the others with the exception of parker/ but parker has the quickest hands in the division.

    wilder is to good to lose to any but the best / but the trouble is IMO he has never faced a top 10 fighter yet.

    scott was coming off a loss to chisora
    stiverne had beaten arreola / but arreola is a very limited face first fighter who has been on a steady downhill slide and stiverne has no one else but arreola on his resume having faced very soft opposition.

    was passiv v deontay
    and last time out v a fighter in rossy who is a top 100 fighter at best stiverne was dropped and laboured to a points win.

    i never saw the fight but saw a faded audley harrsion look like lennox lewis against rossy in a 2013/2014 ? fight doing what he wanted /when he wanted to a vastly outmatched rossy koing him in a few mins.

    puts stiverne ranking into perspective.

    molina IMO is poor technically /weak chin and slow hands and feet and was coming off being kod by arreola before facing deontay does his win over adamek mean anything / dont know not sure what skills he has to improve as i never saw the adamek fight.

    dulhaupus was coming off a loss to teper in a euro title fight was known to be a light puncher and have a solid chin / albeit i saw him dropped by a short / african /french ? fighter trialhorse with a single left hook a few years ago.

    a solid /dependable fighter wont lie down and took his lumps v deontay but never was and never will be a top 10 fighter although a very good trialhorse marker.

    spilzka coming off a stoppage loss to jennings.

    surprised me i thought he was an average small heavy in all things/ showed some decent skills v deontay / obviously a fighter who can blow hot and cold/ not a top 10 fighter but a fighter who does have talent. /

    arreola was the fighter team wilder have wanted for a long time / just arreola was so poor in all the fights they could not legitamtly fight him / the povetkin affair gave them the opportunity they wanted and even against a fighter with one arm arreola simply is not good enough v top ten fighters to do anything about it.

    summing up wilder is talented fast/powerfull/good to watch/good for the sport to have an american heavy again / just we have not seen him in any fights that are competitive to him/ unless he made them competitive himself by being sloppy and winding up.

    which is my main bugbear with him/ he clearly has the talent and skills to straighten up the punches / tidy up the balance / just we dont know if he can do this in against a competitive fighter because team wilder have avoided them.

    wilder himself i think would go in against them / just his promoters are reluctent.

    we should have known all wilders assets and weaknesses by now / that is where i think all the critisim of him comes from / after this long 20 fights ahead of joshua and they are basically at the same stage and have the same type of resume as each other .

    i think wilder can beat fury /povetkin /
    50 /50 with parker /joshua /ortiz /klitchko
    given that team wilder have a gameplan and iron out the wide looping shots
    just i would would like to see the fights and not the endless dieting on 30 to 1 on fights.

    it is frustrating to be a fan of wilder as IMO the talent is there but how can you defend the opposition.
     
  2. BCS8

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    That's a good post.

    I'm not a fan of Wilder but I have to admit that he has the size and punching power and yeah, enough talent, to be a top HW. Yet he's fought about three guys out of 36 that could be called decent wins (Stiverne/Duhaupas/Szpilka).

    Personally I believe that when he steps up to the best in the division, like, say, Povetkin, he's going to get his chin shattered.

    But, if he never fights the top guys we will never see whether or not that is the case.
     
  3. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes can't argue with this,I may have a laugh at Wilders expense but I do admire his ability to win with limited boxing skill and you're right he beats everyone outside the top six and who knows he may even beat the top guys if he would only try and face em?
     
  4. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He sucks and most of the boxing world knows it. Check out this thread where I made a poll:

    http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?t=546779

    It astonishes me when people talk about his "power," "movement." "Slickness," etc.

    Power? The guy took 8 to knock out Molina, who was knocked out in 1 by both Arreola and Ashanti Jordan. He could not drop or stop Stiverne, who was stopped by Demetrice King and later dropped by Rossy.

    Movement? Like when he tentavively dove in against Szpilka, pawing a right hand so comically before moving straight back that the announcing team scoffed: "Well, he's not going to win with rights like that!" Yeah, he looks like he has decent movement when fighting guys like Stiverne and Arreola who are six inches shorter and about to fall over from blood suger problems.

    No amount of these "well, Wilder might be sort of good" threads make him so. He is terrified to fight anyone and the WBC is now actively cooking fake scandals to protect him. It is a shameful state of affairs and boxing fans should finally take a stand and say enought is enough. Then again, they more or less already are since Wilder has not morphed into a big draw of any kind.
     
  5. On The Money

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    No great fighter wrecks himself vs a faded guy like Arreola. It suited bum squad though, keeps Povetkin at bay and allows the fraud to continue.
     
  6. sean

    sean pale peice of pig`s ear Full Member

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    it is obvious wilder has power / also obvious he lacks patience and timing to use it effectively.

    wilder also needs to mix it up by be willing to throw a mixture of power shots instead of loading up with full body torque wild rights and lefts

    when /if he steps up these will be read.

    Molina fight was poor technically / I agree / if he would have settled down and boxed instead of getting an andreniline rush trying to impress his Alabama natives he would have got what I believe is a very average fighter in Molina out of there a lot earlier/ his punches were way to wide.

    spilka showed up many flaws and should have been the type of fighter he fought on the way up to iron out his mistakes.
    spilzka was also better than advertised / I saw him v Jennings and he was average at best after first couple of rounds.

    wilder was poor in that fight as well to the closing punch.

    but with wilder its all about someone putting all his skillset and attributes together to get a finished product/ there is a very good fighter in there waiting to get out / just IMO he has fallen for the hype of his own power.

    different era but nigel benn was like wilder in his early days / lost to a fighter with less talent but a gameplan in Watson and then learnt to settle down and became a better boxer because of it.

    the benn that swung for the hills that lost to Watson could never have beaten mccllend.

    in wilder you have a 6.7 /long levers / light feet/quick handed fighter/
    yes he still has lots of faults/ you point out most of them / no denying wilder is a polished fighter.

    its just looking at him / everyone who knows boxing/ which should be most of us on here can see what wilder could be / even if at the moment he is a rough edged fighter.

    steward if he was alive and with
    wilder would have rounded off all the rough edges/ breland ? is he still wilders trainer/ a welterweight clone albeit breland threw straighter shots/

    80% of it is in wilders head / the trainers must have told him this countless times.
     
  7. Lady Girl

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    his fans love that he keeps facing burger eaters

    they will keep supporting everything he does because like wilder they have no shame:lol:
     
  8. heerko koois

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    Dustin Nichols would disagree with this thread.....
     
  9. Matt in a hat

    Matt in a hat Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Best name on his resume is Stiverne who at the time was in most peoples top 5.
    Now he got there by getting 2 wins over Arreola.
    There lies the big question mark.
    How good was Stiverne really?
    Wilder's defense's have really not helped his cause, and 4 sub par opponents in a row does not help matters. Even in victory too many of those can actually lower your ranking in the long run.
     
  10. BCS8

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    I believe that Wilder's fans would also like to see him prove himself. Nobody was happy with Arreola let's be honest.
     
  11. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wilder is a fraud. His team is praying, hoping, counting on - Povetkin and Wlad to get very old very fast and of retire.
    Then they will take a chance with Fury if he wins they will market him as the new face of the division during a time the division is in a chaotic volatile state.

    Truth is he has fought no one because he is not very good. He is very tall and has reach with those dimensions he can pose problems for B-C level fighters (which is all he ever faces)
    His power is over rated and his coordination is poor. His technique is poor and his footwork is bad.
    His career is owed more to connections than talent.
     
  12. heerko koois

    heerko koois Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :patsch
     
  13. donizhere

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    Duahupus went on to be the only man to ko helenius hes not a light puncher
     
  14. marting

    marting Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Good, solid, ****ysis Sean.

    Wilder's handlers are not serving their charge well. I especially don't like these recent fights being held in Alabama.

    He is still an unknown quantity to a large degree and that's a strange situation for a champion with 37 bouts.

    I'm definitely not a Wilder hater. And I don't buy the chin obsession to the degree that the chin clan do. I don't dismiss the chin discussion entirely but I've seen a lot of dodgy chins succeed in boxing and I've seen supposed granite chins meet the perfect punch.

    Wilder has excellent stamina, is comfortable in the ring, has enough power, and has developed a very good jab to give any of heavies problems. Unfortunately he also has mediocre footwork, is prone to poor punch technique, and lacks any defining fights.

    At some point he will have to tale his padded record into the ring against a dangerous fighter.
     
  15. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Wilder is a can-crusher whose power and chin are both frauds. As soon as he faces the top guys, he'll get destroyed. Look at what happened against mediocre Bermane Stiverne? His supposed "power" vanished!