the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Ricky Burns - Ray Beltran


Rd 1 - 10-9, Burns
Rd 2 - 10-9, Burns
Rd 3 - 10-9, Beltran
Rd 4 - 10-9, Beltran
Rd 5 - 10-9, Beltran
Rd 6 - 10-9, Burns
Rd 7 - 10-9, Burns
Rd 8 - 10-8, Beltran
Rd 9 - 10-9, Beltran
Rd 10 - 10-9, Beltran
Rd 11 - 10-9, Beltran
Rd 12 - 10-9, Burns


115-112, Beltran

 

**** Tiger vs. Florentino Fernandez

Tiger: 4,5
Fernandez: 1, 2, 3

**** tiger vs. Willie Pickett(7 round missing)
Tiger: 1,2,4(10-8), 5, 6, 8, 9
Pickett: 3,6,10

**** Tiger vs Don Fullmer (9&10 missing)
Tiger: 2,3,4,5,6
Fullmer: 1,7,8

**** Tiger vs Rubin Carter WHAT A FIGHT BY TIGER
Carter:1
Tiger: 2(10-7),3,4(10-8),5,6,7,8,9,10

**** Tiger vs Nino
Tiger:2,3,6,7,8,10
Nino:1,4,5,9

**** Tiger vs. Jose Gomzalez
Tiger:3,4,5
Gonzalez:1,2

Jose Torres vs. Jose Gonzalez
Torres:2,4,5,6
Gonzalez:1,5,7,8,9,10

Jose Torres vs. Skeeter McClure
McClure: 4,9
Torres:1,2,3,5,6,7,8,10

Jose Torres vs. Gomeo Brennan
Torres:1,2,4,8,9,10
Brennan:3,5,6,7

Don Fullmer vs. Rocky Rivero
Fullmer: 1,3,4,5,7,8
Rivero:2,6,9,10

 

Forrest v Mayorga 1.

A lot cleaner than I remembered it being. In my head it was a foul fest of a messy fight but that's not what I just saw then.

Feel bad for Forrest. He'd twice beaten Mosley, got this huge contract and was basically seen as an unbeatable textbook perfect fighting machine.

In round 1 he schools the absolutely defenceless Mayorga but gets clipped at the end. Ronnie Shields tells him it wasn't a legit kd, and he should walk Mayorga down.

Round 2 is brutal, Forrest lands 22 power shots at will, probably punches himself out slightly and lands an uppercut every bit as good as the monster Lewis lands on Vitali. Shields tells him to go for the kill.

No instruction to jab and hold, to take a breather, they assume Mayorga will eventually have his chin cracked.

Round 3 goes the same way as the second, but this time when Forrest lands his huge uppercut it doesn't quite snap the head as much and Mayorga immediately lands one of his own. You see the panic in the eyes of Forrest who still thinks he is trying to finish Ricardo off. Mayorga begins to land right hands at will backing the listless Forrest up. Before you know it Vernon has gone from landing every punch under the sun to being against the ropes, hands down eating right haymakers. He slumps to the ground and the ref calls it off. Good stoppage imo.

Obviously the rematch showed that Forrest was unable to keep Mayorga at the end of long straight punches and was unable to nullify the inside game with the clinch. But I can't help but feel the advice he received here was awful.

Great rocky type fight though.

 

Just finished my rewatch of 24. So I now have some free time to watch more boxing fights, after all what's the point being a fan otherwise right? Going to try and watch a fight a day for the next 100 days.

Fight 1: Zaragoza v Lora
1: 9-10
2: 10-9
3: 9-10
4: 8-10
5: 7-10
6: 9-10
7: 9-10
8: 9-10
9: 9-10
10: 10-9
11: 9-10
12: 9-10

107:118

The fight started off closely with Zaragoza trying to stay at range and match Lora punch for punch, but the disparity in speed and skill meant Lora could constantly counter over the top with right. Round 2 saw Zaragoza able to keep Lora at range and it looked like it would be quite tactical through the third. Round 4 saw Lora drop Zaragoza and twice more in the fifth.

Round 6 was a turning point in the fight as it saw Zaragoza take the front foot for the first time, but he was leaving himself too open to win any rounds clearly, imo as Lora couldn't moss the right over the top or the left hook downstairs.

In round 10 Zaragoza remember to utilise head movement and actually fought quite well hitting Lora with sharp shots and staying out of range.

Round 11 and 12 saw Zaragoza get desperate and begin open up, which Lora could take advantage of and land hard counter shots.

Not sure why the scores were so close, I really thought this was a dominant display of counter punching on the back and front foot.

 

WiveslLivesMatter !

 

Fight 2: Canizales v Adams
1: 10-9
2: 10-9
3: 10-9
4: 9-10
5: 9-10
6: 9-10
7: 10-9
8: 9-10
9: 9-10
10: 10-9
11: tko

This fight perfectly highlights the strengths and weaknesses of Canizales imo.

The first 3 rounds he was the general, stalking and timing with deadly precision, keeping it a punch for punch battle and at 118 with his power, that just isn't a smart move by the opponent.

Adams clearly has an advantage in hand and footspeed and rounds 4-6 he pretty much schooled Orlando. He hit him with hard fast combinations, moving out of range before Orlando could counter. This really exposed his weaknesses especially if matched against greater opposition than a schoolboy.

After that Orlando began pressing the action more slowing Adams down and the rounds were very close and hard to score 7-9. I gave 1 to Canizales and 2 to Adams because Adams was dictating the pace and Canizales wasn't always able to land his big shot.

The stoppage was messy. Orlando had gotten back on top by this point and the stoppage was coming but when it came it was a surprise. Orlando lands a huge upercut, Adams holds his head, gets a point taken off and daddy calls off the fight.

Orlando has great stamina and great power. His timing is world class. But his hand and foot speed mean he's there to be out boxed for periods of time and some rounds here he looked helpless. But as he showed it only takes a few good punches to turn it around. Overall this was a great performance as it showed him at his worst, and then recovering and taking charge again.

 

Fight 3: Kittikasem v Arbachakov 1
1: 9-10
2: 9-10
3: 9-10
4: 9-10
5: 9-10
6: 9-10
7: 9-10
8: tko

Arbachakov looked great here. Aside from the kd that is, it wasn't even a flash a knockdown imo, looked quite heavy but Yuri recovered extremely well and went on to knock Kittikasem down.

Every round was competitive but I couldn't score any to the champ. Ebihara had quicker hands, feet and reflexes, he boxed at the right time and exchenged at the right time and he was constantly chipping away with that right hand.

This was a surprisingly good war and a very competitive bout but there's no doubt as to who the better man was in my mind. There were times when he was walking down Kittikasem and backing him up with relative ease. Masterclass of a performance at the highest level.

 

Azumah Nelson - Mario Martinez I

I don't get on here as much as I'd like but I'm looking for a little feedback on a fight that surprisingly I'd never seen before. I expected the very capable Martinez to give Nelson a good run for 8 or 9 rounds then get steamrolled. What I saw was Marinez dominate Nelson and get robbed. I had it 8-2-2 for Martinez in addition to a very legit knowdown. If this was a 15 round fight I question whether Nelson would've finished. His legs were wooden and verging on gone at the end.
I chalk this up to a Don King fighter being gifted but had never really heard of this being a robbery. I'd welcome some thoughts from anyone who has seen this fight.
Nelson was a great fighter no doubt. But this fight and Fenech I were complete gifts IMO. Need to rewatch the Villasana fights.
In hindsight, Martinez seems a bit hardluck. Matched super tough throughout his career. I think he was 19 when matched with JCC. Excellent fighter and a bit overlooked.

 

Fight 4: Vitali v Sanders
1: 9-10
2: 10-9
3: 10-9
4: 10-9
5: 10-9
6: 10-9
7: 10-9
8: tko

All I could think when watching this fight was how superior Vitali was to his little brother. I know Wlad achieved more but Vitali was such a better fighter. Round 1 of this was almost identical to round 1 of Wlad's fight, but only Vitali took the punch and was able to recover.

Round 3 was one of the best rounds of any fight ever, Vitali is not a good inside boxer but when Sanders closed the gap, instead of trying to hold and clinch his way to safety, he fought back, uppercuts, hooks allsorts were thrown and it meant Sanders couldn't bully him the way he bullied Wlad.

By then Sanders was spent and landed maybe 3 or 4 more punches the rest of the fight as Vitali dominated him.

Great performance by a man wanting to take over from Lewis as the next world champion. Just a shame he didn't get the unification with Byrd.

Without his injuries he could have gone dwn as the greater brother. He's higher on my list but I imagine I'm in the minority there.

 

Natonic, here is my scorecard on the fight.

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Nelson
Round 3: 10-9 Martinez
Round 4: 10-9 Nelson
Round 5: 10-9 Martinez
Round 6: 10-9 Nelson
Round 7: 10-9 Martinez
Round 8: 10-9 Martinez
Round 9: 10-9 Martinez
Round 10: 10-8 Martinez (scored a knockdown)
Round 11: 10-9 Nelson
Round 12: 10-9 Martinez

116-112 Martinez

A little closer than your scorecard, but we are in agreement that Martinez was robbed.

 

Fight 5: Montiel vs Donaire
1: 9-10
2: tko

This was Donaire at his absolute finest. Cutting down to BW and FlW he was an absolute demon who could dominate his opposition by virtue of his size and athleticism. When you're the bigger ad quicker man the deck is stacked in your favour.

We did see huge limitations in the Donaire fight and against Walters we saw what happens when he fights me his own size. But in the fights at these lower weights he is gonna be very hard to beat unless you can match his size or negate his speed. Montiel could do do neither and was steamrolled here in this fight.

 

Fight 6: Kalambay v Nunn
1:tko

I feel like Nunn gets a bad rep sometimes because of the Toney loss. If you accept that Toney is an ATG which we can now say with hindsight.

This night he proved his class and talent in my mind, he was quicker than Kalambay and even though it's hard to gauge how the fight will have panned out he had no real difficulty landing his jab.

That short left hook was a thing of beauty though. Not sure how far it travelled but to destroy the number 1 MW who was on the form of his life and arguably unbeaten was an incredible victory.

 

Feel like I'm watching a decent amount of fights again now. The past year was difficult getting old fights in but I blame Jack Bauer for that

 

Thanks for your input!! I didn't know much about this fight going in (which is rare because the 80's are my era). I just got drawn further into this thing and was totally surprised by the knockdown and Nelson being legit hurt. I'm glad somebody saw this similarly. Never saw this brought to light as a robbery (although I guess a rematch is somewhat of a nod to controversy).

I've since watched Mayweather - Martinez and had it 5-5. I tend to think I'm scoring a little sympatheticly to Martinez at this point. Hard luck guy.

Martinez reminds me a bit of one of my 80's underrated favorites Sergio Palma. I think of both as pressure fighters, but both were more crafty and better on the back foot than you'd expect.