Could Azumah Nelson ever have beaten Whitaker or Sanchez?

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  1. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Azumah Nelson in my mind is probably pound for pound one of the greatest fighters of all times, even if most fans and historians don't rate him as such ( which they may or may not. ) Dude was ranked for about 16 years and beat a rather lengthy list of good fighters.. he was only stopped once and most of his defeats came with old age... My question per the thread title is weather or not he might have beaten Pernel Whitaker and Salvador Sanchez if the meeting took place under more favorable circumstances for Nelson? His bout with Salvador took place in 1982 when Azumah had 13 fights and was placed in the ring with an ATG in the peak of his prime. The bout went 15 rounds to a late stoppage with numbers being fairly close on the cards.. Eight years later he would rise in weight at the age of 32 to take on Whitaker - Another ATG at his pinnacle and in bout that also went the distance.. I'm not sure when most feel Nelson was at his best, but Its hard to believe that it was the 13 fight version who fought Sanchez OR the 32 year old rendition who had to rise in weight to fight Whitaker.. What if we're looking at Azumah around say 1985. And additionally, what if he always had the luxury of fighting in his own class rather than having to jump divisions to face anybody? Could he THEN have beaten Sanchez and Whitaker?
     
  2. MonagFam

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    I have trouble seeing Nelson beating Whitaker or at least any prime / post prime version . I think it just isn't a great match up for Nelson, who looked pretty sloppy in their one bout. I like Azumah and enjoy what he was able to accomplish later, I just can't see him beating most versions of Pernell I have seen.

    I can't speak with any confidence about Sanchez.

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  3. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    It's possible that the much busier whitaker and with his southpaw style might always trouble Nelson. But it would have been interesting nonetheless to see them fight at a weight and age that was more favorable for Azumah.
     
  4. MonagFam

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    I agree....the outcome after the first Fenech fight soured me a bit on Nelson. It is hardly Azumah's fault, but I was rooting for Fenech. The rematch and his subsequent professor-ship really endeared me to him.

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  5. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I remember watching both fights on HBO. The first match definitely should have gone to Fenech. But the outcome of the rematch confirmed Nelson's claim that he was having health problems in the first fight. Not sure if I believe that he had Malaria or not, but something definitely wasn't right.
     
  6. MonagFam

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    Thought the same thing. Though it would have been nice to see Fenech get it in the first. Either way Azumah was brilliant in the rematch.

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  7. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Agreed.
     
  8. turnip

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    Nelson is one of my favorite fighters the greatest fighter to come from Africa and one of the greatest smaller fighters ever.i would only favor Sanchez over him and it could go either way at feather Whitaker would I think beat him most of the time he is a bigger guy and legend.not many in history from higher weight could top him.
     
  9. thanosone

    thanosone Love Your Brother Man Full Member

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    What did he do better than any of those two?
     
  10. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I think his power and precision punching was a fairly strong asset. while he wasn't the busiest fighter to ever lace em' up, he didn't waste shots either. Very efficient boxer.
     
  11. thanosone

    thanosone Love Your Brother Man Full Member

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    Sanchez was more efficient. Power was about equal. I just don't remember him doing anything great. He was good at everything not great at one thing. I don't think he ever beats Sanchez. Pea at a lower weight would have been sweet. Pea beats him 9/10 times. He looked really sloppy in the Pea fight.
     
  12. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    You may be right.. But I just think that its a little hard to judge given that Nelson had nearly zero professional experience going into that bout, while Sanchez was a peaking ATG, and was taken 15 rounds in a very tough fight. Two years later, Nelson beats ATG Wilfredo Gomez and spends the rest of the decade as one of its best fighters. Hard to believe that there was no improvement since losing to Sanchez.
     
  13. JohnThomas1

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    He would never ever beat Whitaker. He has more chance against Sanchez, but a Sanchez fighting him again knowing what he was up against.....Sanchez has to be favored.
     
  14. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    He also took the Sanchez fight on about a weeks notice so yes i could see him beating Sanchez.
    Whitaker has the style to always beat Nelson.
     
  15. Flash24

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    Whitaker, was, and would be a bad match at any stage in Nelsons career. A natural bigger, and much faster fighter, a south paw, who had all the skills. Pea would beat Nelson 9 out of 10 times. He was just all wrong for Nelson. Sanchez was a fighting machine, a Mexican fighter who fought very differently then most Mexican fighters before or since. Had great skills,technique, a true ATG. But he defeated a very green Nelson, whom still went 15 rds with him. A mature Nelson chances of defeating Sanchez is far greater than defeating Whitaker