Nikolai Valuev vs. Rocky Marciano

Rocky UD.

 

It would be very stupid for such a tall fighter to stand on the inside with Marciano and trade. He would land absolutely no punches due to Marciano's crouching style and constant bob/weave. Marciano's head would literally be probably a foot below Valuev's waistline. Have you ever punched a target well below your waistline that is constantly moving and throwing bombs at you. It's easier said than done. Valuev is just a bigger target for Marciano.

Valuev would feel Marciano's power which apparently could move 925lbs 1 foot. Well Valuev weighs about 300 so he's going more than a foot if Marciano lands clean enough.

 

Whatever his shortcomings no one floored Valuev.
The myth that all Rocky had to do was to land flush and it was game over is easily disproved by actually watching his fights.

I don't see Marciano landing consistantly on Valuev's chin and I doubt his body shots would do much damage .Valuev is not Rex Layne.

 

I never said he would floor him I said he had the power to move him. So it wouldn't be negligible.

 

Marciano was a great fighter ,Valuev a lummox who lacked power, and had only the rudiments of boxing skills , but he was durable and could trundle along without getting gassed late.Giving up 14 inches in height,17 inches in reach, and 130lbs+ in weight is a mammoth task even if your opponent is no great shakes, but is durable.

Below is Rocky facing the 6.3" Ali. Valuev is 9 inches taller than Ali and about 100lbs heavier.

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You're assuming that weight and reach are an advantage to Rocky's style. Also Ali wasn't 100 lbs heavier than Marciano there but I will merit that as a mistake rather than you actually believing that.

 

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I still think Marciano wins a wide decision

 

Lol! Try reading his post slowly and carefully, he said the Valuev outweighed Ali by 100lbs.

Yes, it can not be denied that fighting someone who outweighs you by 130lbs and giving almost foot and a half in reach is tremendously problematic.

 

reznick, I just GIS'ed "Valuev Marciano"

 

"Also Ali wasn't 100 lbs heavier than Marciano there but I will merit that as a mistake rather than you actually believing that."



Are you suggesting that having massive height, weight, and reach superiority would not be and advantage against a slow, small swarmer?
My actual statement was."Below is Rocky facing the 6.3" Ali. Valuev is 9 inches taller than Ali and about 100lbs heavier"
This is a bit like my thread listing my top lightheavyweight champions , in which I stated I only included men that held the crown, only to have posters ask me why I hadn't included Charles,Tunney or Greb? It seems some are in rather too much of a hurry to post negative comments, too much of a hurry to actually read the thread?

 

Who has said it is impossible? Haye is 6' 3" and weighed 217lbs for that fight, he won by using his speed and footwork to dart in with quick forays , then gliding back out o range . His style is the complete antithesis to Marciano's.
nothing that opponent did fazed Valuev in the slightest and he lasted less than 6 minutes of action,why would you mention him to boost your case?

 

Whoops my mistake, on both threads. Thought that said that Ali was 100 lbs heavier than Marciano in that picture.

But still I don't think that if Marciano was heavier or had a longer reach he would have necessarily been a better fighter.

 

Nor do I increased weight would only slow down further an already slowish fighter and adversely affect his stamina.Marciano is the poster boy for overachievement, he made his physical shortcomings work for him, but I believe he was also fortunate in the era in which he operated