Fighters Who Put Their Country On The Boxing Map

jdoro63 · Nov 21, 2016

Ra's Al-Ghul said: ↑

Yes I did, one of the ninteen-sixties (Middle- and Light-Heavyweight)...

But whatsoever there was I think a Feather- or Banatamweight world champion with the name Kotaí, who was in the fifties the first African world champion (maybe around 1956 or a bit earlier), he was from Ghana, if I didn't mix it up (or from South-Africa); at least the first black-African one (as most from South-Africa were white).
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A boxer certainly holds a distinction of being the first from a particular location to win a world title. The continent of Africa is very large and certainly many fine boxers have been born there. Arguably the greatest boxer to have ever come from Africa is Azumah Nelson.

mcvey · Nov 22, 2016

Ra's Al-Ghul said: ↑

So what? Maybe you should read the opening of this subject (more carefull); where's fixed that these boxers doesn't have to be indentified with these countries, but for different reasons. While them are not only ethnical that, Khan said in talkshows that he feels as Pakistani and lives so, while "Prince" Naseem lived even in Yemen sometime and enjoy that people still worship him there.
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The title of the thread is.

Fighters Who Put Their Country On The Boxing Map

Both Khan and Hamed's country is the UK.

Name: Amir Khan
Alias: 'King Khan'
Birth Name: Amir Iqbal Khan
Born: 1986-12-08 (Age:29)
Birthplace: Bolton, Lancashire, United Kingdom
Hometown: Bolton, Lancashire, United Kingdom

Name: Naseem Hamed
Alias: Prince
Born: 1974-02-12
Birthplace: Sheffield, Yorkshire, United Kingdom
Hometown: Sheffield, Yorkshire, United Kingdom

YOU ARE A STUPID MAN AND WILL REMAIN SO BECAUSE YOU CANNOT BEAR TO BE CORRECTED OR EVER ADMIT THAT YOU ARE WRONG.

Three recent examples of this are you stating.
1. Walcott was taller than Liston
2.Papp was the best middleweight in the 1960s who never won the title.
3. Khan's country is Pakistan . Hamed's country is the Yemen.
ps Still waiting on the other thread for all the rated middleweights that Papp defeated.lol.

Unforgiven · Nov 22, 2016

I think it is fair to say Naseem Hamed put Yemen on the boxing map.
Even if his country is UK, it was known that his parents were from Yemen and he was proud of his roots.
Most boxing fans had probably never heard of Yemen at that time.
Yemen was proud of Naseem Hamed. His face even appeared on postage stamps there.

kingfisher3 · Nov 22, 2016

in my personal experience hamed put yemen on the map full stop, so even if he is a sheffield fighter he def represented his roots.

mcvey · Nov 22, 2016

Unforgiven said: ↑

I think it is fair to say Naseem Hamed put Yemen on the boxing map.
Even if his country is UK, it was known that his parents were from Yemen and he was proud of his roots.
Most boxing fans had probably never heard of Yemen at that time.
Yemen was proud of Naseem Hamed. His face even appeared on postage stamps there.
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Whatever Yemeni's think of Hamed it is not his country his country is the UK, more is the pity.

Unforgiven · Nov 22, 2016

mcvey said: ↑

Whatever Yemeni's think of Hamed it is not his country his country is the UK, more is the pity.
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Who decides what is or what is not his country ?
He can have two countries.
He put Yemen on the map.

mcvey · Nov 22, 2016

Unforgiven said: ↑

Who decides what is or what is not his country ?
He can have two countries.
He put Yemen on the map.
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I'd say where you are born and have lived ALL your life pretty much decides it!

Unforgiven · Nov 22, 2016

mcvey said: ↑

I'd say where you are born and have lived ALL your life pretty much decides it!
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Yes, I agree, and I'd say a person can be aligned with as many countries as they please.

red cobra · Nov 22, 2016

jdoro63 said: ↑

A boxer certainly holds a distinction of being the first from a particular location to win a world title. The continent of Africa is very large and certainly many fine boxers have been born there. Arguably the greatest boxer to have ever come from Africa is Azumah Nelson.
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I'd like to contest that with Richard Ihetu of Nigeria.

jdoro63 · Nov 26, 2016

Ra's Al-Ghul said: ↑

I think I have read, that Michalczewski won the European championship representing the Polish national team (in the BRAVO Sport, from 1995 or 1996), while he participated also in some team competitions, when he lost against Sven Ottke (two times) of West-Germany, while h fought Tiozzo too in one, but that was perhaps in 1988 (by the way Krasniqi fought Brewster as amateur too, but that was very close like 6 - 5 for the German, similar as this one for one of them).

There's a photo where Michalczewski and Golota among others have showed for the Polish youth national team, I have seen few years ago. Maybe brought already Zbiniew Pietrzykowski this country to the boxing landscape.
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Thanks for this info. I would say Pietrzykowski had a profound impact on Polish amateur boxing, for sure (along with Jerzy Kulej), but fans' general lack of knowledge on amateur fight history prohibits guys like Kulej and Pietrzykowski from receiving the amount of credit they so richly deserve (Kulej especially as he is only one of 13 men to ever win at least two Olympic Gold Medals in boxing). That being said, the accomplishments of Golota (especially) and Adamek generally resonate with boxing fans when they hear "Poland". Michalczewski also, but as I said before, to a smaller extent only because to the casual fan, he is a German champion.

jdoro63 · Nov 26, 2016

Fair, definitely a fair statement. You could most certainly pose such an argument. It really is all a matter of perspective. But without a doubt guys such as Tiger (who you mentioned), Nelson, etc. would all warrant a Top 5 on the Greatest African-born fighters of All Time list.

Bukkake · Nov 26, 2016

jdoro63 said: ↑

Thanks for this info. I would say Pietrzykowski had a profound impact on Polish amateur boxing, for sure (along with Jerzy Kulej), but fans' general lack of knowledge on amateur fight history prohibits guys like Kulej and Pietrzykowski from receiving the amount of credit they so richly deserve (Kulej especially as he is only one of 13 men to ever win at least two Olympic medals in boxing). That being said, the accomplishments of Golota (especially) and Adamek generally resonate with boxing fans when they hear "Poland". Michalczewski also, but as I said before, to a smaller extent only because to the casual fan, he is a German champion.
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Really? Only 13 boxers have won at least 2 Olympic medals? I have no idea what the number is - but surely it must be higher than 13 (i would think!).

jdoro63 · Nov 26, 2016

Bukkake said: ↑

Really? Only 13 boxers have won at least 2 Olympic medals? I have no idea what the number is - but surely it must be higher than 13 (i would think!).
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I meant only one of 13 males to win at least two Olympic Golds in boxing. So sorry for this glitch. This has been corrected.

jdoro63 · Nov 26, 2016

Ra's Al-Ghul said: ↑

Yes I think so, he is and possible top 5 of all time. But most German doesn't recognize him as one or rather doesn't adopt him, maybe because of his name among others. I had ranked him even as one of the best German athletes, for the past century (or all time), but the opener of that subject argued that he's Polish and regard/ rate him is that (possible due to he's born and raised there, even learned there boxing, in opposite to Fitzsimmons and Lewis, which left Britain very young). While Maske was always a lot more popular than Michalczewski, even the Klitschkos and maybe Ottke were that. While we have adopted Abraham as German, who is a celebratrity and star, but he only became German just shortly before he won his first world title, although he lives in Germany since 1995.

One reason there was no demand that Henry Maske shall fight Dariusz Michalczewski was, the later one was just not very well known (almost unknown) in Germany, before Hill, as he mostly fought in pay-TV, under lock-out of the public. While Darek defied him, even when the "Gentleman" was already seven or eight months retired, just to gain his own fame by whos big name (the list for his opponents after he became triple champion in Light-Heavyweight was: 1. Maske, 2. Jones 3. rematch vs. Rocchigiani).
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Virgil Hill never squared off against Rocchigiani, it was Michalczewski who had the duology with Rocchigiani. I think you might have really meant Dariusz?

Meditate=Truth · Nov 26, 2016

Just thinking of some names that haven't been mentioned yet...

Joe Louis-USA
Sanders- S.A.
Stiverne-Haiti
Duran-Panama
Klitschkos-Ukraine
Buchanan-Scotland
Tua- Samoa/NZ

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