Hopkins 0-5 vs. the best natural 160 -175-pound fighters he meet.

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  1. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    I agree with your post, but can you also admit Hopkins style doesn't match up well against speed?
    Note that Hopkins lost to Jermaine Taylor and Roy Jones who skillwise I believe Hopkins is better than.

    Do you agree that skillwise Hopkins does great against fighters at his speed level but doesn't matchup well against faster busier fighters even though his skill level might be better than theirs?????

    Even against a way passed it Roy Jones Jr. when Hopkins was still fighting at a high level, Hopkins turned that fight into a foulfest hugfest because a shot Roy Jones was still faster than him.
    One or two punches and clutch, repeat and rinse. It was like watching John Ruiz at his absolute clutchfest prime.
    Then he even exaggerated a hit to the back of the head and tried to get Roy Jones disqualified in that rematch.
    Roy Jones stood in the corner laughing knowing what Hopkins was doing.
     
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  2. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    When a nerve is a hit, expect the old pivot and switch. Wlad is not 0-2 vs the best fighters he faced.
     
  3. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Sure he is. He got thoroughly schooled and outclassed by Tyson Fury, in embarrassing fashion, too, I might add. Fury was the greatest talent Wlad ever faced, and Wlad failed and failed miserably. The 2nd best guy Wlad faced was probably that old golfer dude who clobbered him out like an amateur in 2 rounds.

    Then Vitali quit in a bout against little Chris Byrd, who was too slick and too fast for the elder Klitschko. And we all know Lewis carved Vitali's face into mincemeat.

    Everyone knows the Klits lucked out in an abysmal era of the heavyweight division. Even Wlad's own trainer Emanuel Steward often repeated the fact that Wlad dominated in the weakest heavyweight era, ever. But whenever a Klitschko stepped up, they either quit, got brutally stopped, or got embarrassingly outclassed by a babbling coke head.

    :smoking:
     
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    Liquid Fire Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    God dam crackers.. Mother ****ers can't jump as high as me!
     
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    blackhercules Active Member banned Full Member

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    James Toney eventually weighed 260 and fought at heavyweight. So that is his natural weight now?
     
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    Eastpaw Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "Back in the day"
     
  7. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    As Hopkins aged he definitely had a problem with work rate. Mercado pressured him even young and gave him issues, Calzaghe out worked him, Smith blew him out of the ring. I think busy pressure fighters gave Hopkins issues. Jones when they first met was at the height of his physical powers and was lightning fast with a better amateur pedigree. Hopkins did well to go the distance and at least be slightly competitive. Hopkins arguably beat Taylor first fight but was already in late 30's or 40 by this time.
    Quality fighters that possess speed will give most fighters issues. Including Hopkins.
     
  8. Nay_Sayer

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    Pavlik was better than Taylor. Tarver was better than Calzhage @ 175lbs...
     
  9. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And?
     
  10. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Chemistry to be precise.
     
  11. rorschach51

    rorschach51 A Legend & A Gentleman Full Member

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    This exactly and it's ****ing sickening. Really starting to wish Hopkins wouldn't have taken this last fight, because the whiney ***** haters have been coming out of the woodwork ever since.
     
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  12. Jackal

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    You mean the technique of headbutting, throwing low-blows and faking injury?
     
  13. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    LOL Stop and look at the list of names on his resume. A resume the 3G fans would most definitely brag about. Hopkins hung tough with everyone he fought up until the end. So by your logic, if Crawford were to beat Lomachenko he gets no credit for it because Loma was a blown up feather weight? Cuardras shouldn't get credit for a good fight against Gonzalez because RG started 3 divisions below? This is some dumb a$$ Shut!
     
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    rorschach51 A Legend & A Gentleman Full Member

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    It's infuriating that the obvious true greatness of Bernard Hopkins is being called into question because of a poor decision to fight again. There are not many ATG boxers to come out of the last 25 years, but Hopkins is one of them. It shouldn't matter what color you are to be able to realize that, maybe it does for some people but not this white boy.
     
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  15. Jackal

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    The second RJJ fight was a joke, all he did was spoil against a shot Jones. No one cares about that fight, it's the prime bout that counts and he got whooped in that. Calzaghe also beat him decisively on his home turf so there's no excuse. Count how many times he clinched and faked injury in that bout. The guy's a joke, can't fight to save his life, only comes to spoil and cry foul when he loses.