Foreman in Zaire

Could have been a double????

Just putting it out there, where's the evidence Foreman was drugged?

 

There's no evidence that Foreman was drugged apart from Foreman's statements.

The idea of a boxing trainer drugging a fighter doesn't seem as far-fetched to me as the idea that Muhammad Ali the most recognizable man in the world managed to find a double that could fool the whole world, and one who managed to beat Foreman too.

 

Not quite but both are massively far-fetched tbh. Trevor Berbick also said he was drugged in the Tyson bout. Foreman showed no signs whatsoever of being drugged in the fight.

 

I'm not an expert on drugging fighters.

I suspect it has happened many times though, with different degrees of success and effect.

Trevor Berbick was a paranoid schizophrenic, I believe.

 

Foreman isn't exactly the epitome of sanity, didn't he once speak to God?

 

I don't put much stock in anything Foreman says.

 

Me neither, he's a legend and I love the bloke but if he told me the sky was blue I'd look up to make sure.

 

Perry name a 230 pound heavyweight that Tunney beat? That is like saying because Roy Jones Jr was amazingly fast that he could beat Foreman. The stuff ******ed people like you say crack me up.

 

Also based on that stupid logic Tommy Hearns could beat Anthony Joshua because he is more skilled. Even though they aren't the same weight class. Pernell Whitaker is far more skilled than Wlad or Vitali K so he could beat them too. You are the clearly the bi-product of inbreeding or your mom was on drugs before she had you.

Foreman is a heavyweight Dempsey isn't a modern heavyweight so you say since Tunney a 175 pounder beat 6'0 190 pound Dempsey that meant he could beat 6'3 1/2 230 pound Foreman? Yeah that is logical.

Then you bring up other stuff that shows your lack of intelligence. Foreman called out Holmes in the late 70's and Holmes declined because he knew he couldn't win. Foreman lost to Young because instead of coming to Puerto Rico 10 days to get used to the heat he came the day before and instead of going for the KO like Gil Clancy told him according to Gil he choose to listen to a friend he brought with him instead and just toyed with Young until he got tired.

Ali got lucky against Foreman. Ali stated himself that his plan wasn't to lay on the ropes but Foreman forced him there. I explained that before. Even then Ali didn't out box Foreman so I don't know what the hell you are talking about.

Foreman twice beat Peralta a 6'1 205 to 210 pound slick boxers who career record was 98 wins and 9 loses. I am not talking about historically speaking I am talking about in the ring skills he was much bigger than Tunney.

It just cracks me up to see stupid post after stupid post from people like you with your head stuck up your ass. Too stupid to realize there are weight classes for a reason. Floyd Mayweather isn't going to beat Tyson because he was more skilled. Tyson is way bigger than him. Sugar Ray Robinson isn't going to beat David Tua no matter how skilled he is. Joe Calzaghe is way more polished than Riddick Bowe but do you think he would win? Kovalev is more skilled than Deontay Wilder and Kovalev is just as big as Tunney so do you think he would beat Wilder? Well in your primitive child like brain you probably do.

No blown up 170 pound fighter could beat any top level heavyweight period.

 

I think ali was just the perfect match for foremann. He would have beat him anytime around his prime.

George was a murderous puncher but ali could take a punch better than anyone. Plus he didnt really fear foremann like everybody else did. Its amazing the difference fear can play in someone. Think the problem was george was so used to landing then the opponent would fall. He kind of didnt know what to do when ali didnt. And ended up getting dragged into giving more in the fight that he should have been giving. Before he knew it the fight was moving away from him.

Ali would have actually beat him more convincingly if he was prime and the mover he once was. Its just a bad style match up for george. Its probably the only real bad match up style for power punchers. Boxer mover types.

But ali showed that night that if your good enough you can find a way. Think the drugging things just been georges way of dealing with it. He was set to take over everything. He got used to people falling over when he hit him. When someone never he didnt quite know how to deal with it. Hence the reason he blamed saddler for drugging him. Surely if you were drugged it would take effect pretty quickly. At what point did saddler administer the drugs? Inbetween the round he got knocked out. Cause george looked pretty much like george until tiredness crept in. He d hardly had to go 12 anyway before...especially in that heat. He just got outhustled by ali.

 

Herc once again is completely clueless......typical. Tunney was a 190 pound hwt. Peralta was 196/197 pounds when he fought Foreman but then again the WEIGHT in the hwt division (unlike lower weight divisions where 5 pounds can be critical) is the last thing one should look at. The fact you look at weight as your deciding criteria reveals your complete amateurish perspective concerning the sport. It's a question of skill, style, durability, stamina. Foreman like most punchers had issues fighting decent boxers....the two best he fought Ali and Young beat him going away....one by ten count KO and the other by unanimous decision. Peralta also did well against Foreman. Tunney, PRIME Tunney was in a much higher class than either Young or Peralta and certainly PRIME Tunney was a greater technical boxer than Ali in 1974. Tunney wins this one going away. He in retrospect, looking at Foremans track history against good boxers which is NOT GOOD, Tunney should be the favorite.

 

Tunney never beat anyone like Foreman though.

 

Tunney beating Foreman is not very likely.

Tunney exploited Dempseys inability to cut off the ring very well, and initiated a clinch often after landing his 1-2s and combos. He could control Dempsey inside. That's not going to work against Foreman.

 

I don't think Foreman's corner could have done much in Zaire.
Foreman fought a bit stupid but Ali was picking him off anyway, whatever Foreman did Ali would be picking him off with those hard right hands.
I think the main problem was Foreman's lack of experience in a similar situation, and so many short easy fights leading up to this one, the pressure was really on Foreman after a few rounds and this would have made him more tired and more careless anyway. It was to much to ask him to adapt himself in that particular situation.
It's better to have a calm corner than guys panicking trying to come up with a makeshift plan B.

 

Tunney in his prime would have been the greatest technical boxer George ever faced. Georges track record beating technical boxers was very poor.....0 and 2. One by ten count ko and the other by wide U decision win.