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Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by Cally, Jan 8, 2017.


  1. Cally

    Cally Sand...sand... nothing but sand! Full Member

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    For my mate to say brook has flat feet and poor movement is laughable to me. But boy does he get upset about khan not being as good as he thinks he is, he still won't have it after all these years.. lol

    For me, khan looks great for a few rounds when he's fresh, when he's full of bounce and running around the ring in and out with the same combos time and again. It isn't great but it is good to watch for lots of people, hence the delusion with howgood he actually is.

    For me, to beat khan all you need is patience, like canelo had with him.

    Some folk say khan was winning til the point he got sparked, well.. not exactly, canelo finished the fight the first time he attempted to finish it!

    Walk khan down, weather the pitter patter punches for a few rounds, don't let him annoy you with those having a wasp in your face flurries, and the time will come to finish him....
     
  2. ashishwarrior

    ashishwarrior I'm vital ! Full Member

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    As you say its a waiting game
    You would have thought khan would have looked at him self and thought damn I'm sort of as one trick pony I need to reevaluate my all round game but did not until it was to little to late
    I was poure styled on the amateur game so he as done wellish but not this great he and his fans claim
     
  3. bbjc

    bbjc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    As much as i rate brook and see khans massive weaknesses. I know few agree i still think its a much harder fight for brook than people are starting to think.

    It comes down to this for me will khans speed offset brook which i think could be a possibility. Or will brooks footwork give khan the problems. Whoever can get the gameplan off the best will win the fight. We can name fighters who have got to khan but theres still a lot out there that were offset by the speed to the point they couldnt even get in the fight.

    On paper it looks a no brainer for brook because of khans weaknesses. Most boxing people will go for brook. Logically its the right answer but it doesnt always play out logically. Khans speed does cause problems it can offset opponents. I still say khans big weaknesses isnt counterpunchers...khans actually quite hard to counter. The guys that give him the problems are pressure fighters and guys that work him out. Hes slightly harder to work out nowadays and brooks not a pressure fighter.

    Genuinely think it,ll be a close fight with khan surprising a lot of people.
     
  4. ashishwarrior

    ashishwarrior I'm vital ! Full Member

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    Khan cannot do speed for full twelve when tagged he can't do speed for 8
    I have seen your points simple
    don't see it like you in any way brook will knock khan cold unless the ref jumps in to save him I'm afraid
    It really is this simple
    I do agree brooks footwork will upset him and is criminally under rated
     
  5. bbjc

    bbjc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah defo underrated it will pretty much give anyone problems. Still wonder if khans speed and ability to get off first which is a bit underrated with khan also...no one seems to mention it anyway will be the thing that beats it though.

    Yeah khan slows down. Agree. Sometimes as early as about the third round.

    My only problem with brook knocking him cold is...has brook ever knocked anyone out cold. The guys that have knocked khan cold...canelo and garcia kind of have a history of it. Garcias overhand right can knock anyone out and canelo pretty much the same. Brook doesnt have that sort of power. Hes actually not a powerful puncher imo...its his accuracy not just his accuracy but his ability to hit the opponent when they dont expect it. Hes very good at not telegraphing his work. Thats what gets him the stoppage mostly imo.

    I m saying hes a much better overall fighter than khan but i still say khans speed and ability to get off first will be the thing that makes brook struggle a bit. Thats the one thing people overlook in this fight. Khans ability to get off first . Hopefully the fight gets made anyway. And we ll find out once and for all.

    For the record i totally do get your side of things as well.
     
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  6. ashishwarrior

    ashishwarrior I'm vital ! Full Member

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    Brook hits harder than cameltoe brook as more tools the cameltoe
    And for me the fights past khan should fight porter and if he beat brooks left overseas he proves he ain't shot making the fight viable other than that khan will take a gimmie then expert to taker the lions share for showing the souls of his feet
     
  7. thefactor

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    Brook has worked himself into a hole which he will be unable to climb out of unless he can secure a fight with Khan. He has beaten no one and that includes Porter who is at best contender level in a win which was dubious. I don't know how much he got for the beating he took from Ggg but up until then his biggest pay day was like 300 large. He has stated that he is really a 154 lbder. He will only go back to 147 for a big money fight with Khan but if he can't get that fight he has no choice other than going to 154 where he gets beaten by the top 6 guys and will have no chance of ever getting a big payday. Brook needs Khan but Khan doesn't need Brook so Khan is in a great position to dictate terms and money split.
     
  8. liger1992

    liger1992 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Khan can't dictate ****. Kell brook sold 400k ppv's v GGG and the O2 arena was sold out. Last time Amir Khan sold out a UK arena and did major ppv numbers over here?

    Before that fight Khan had leverage but now it's 50/50 all the way.

    Khan doesn't need Brook? What other money fight is out there for Khan?

    25% of purse fighting Garcia/Thurman?

    Khan doesn't have much options anymore.
     
  9. Work the body

    Work the body Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Khan is exceptionally fast let's be honest. I remember Danny Garcia saying in an interview that his speed is not at all over rated and he was shocked by it until he adjusted. The first couple rounds in every fight Khan flys out of the blocks landing 2-3 punch combinations. His speed coupled with his reach gives him the ability to get off first. Like you've said Brook doesn't telegraph his punches and his timing is crisp and he will catch Khan similar to what Garcia did IMO. Probably with an uppercut.
     
  10. ashishwarrior

    ashishwarrior I'm vital ! Full Member

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    Yeah OK

    Tell me another one
     
  11. thefactor

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    Brook has been desperately trying to get this fight for years because it's the only big payday he will ever get. Khan is the A side and has the better resume. He's made $35,000,000. If Khan needed Brook more than Brook needed him the fight would have already happened. If you don't see that Khan has all the leverage here you don't know about the business side of boxing. Brook is desperate so Khan can do as he pleases. Do you think if he doesn't get Khan he will stay at 147 and get his ass kicked by Spense? It could possibly happen but if it does he will be on the scrap heap with no hope of ever getting a decent payday.
     
  12. liger1992

    liger1992 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    As I asked tell me what other big money fights Khan has on the table?

    So Khan was the only big payday avaliable to Brook but he just had a huge payday v GGG or are you moving the goalposts?
     
  13. ashishwarrior

    ashishwarrior I'm vital ! Full Member

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    I bet Khans family ran through a lot of his cash
    Houses cars and familys living allowance and there could be a divorce in the near future

    Ray parlour ring any bells


    Bank it and squirrel it away asap
     
  14. liger1992

    liger1992 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Remember amir Khan last year said he would never fight Brook? This is a guy who at every opportunity has tried to run away from the Brook fight. Now suddenly his talking about fighting Brook in 2017?

    Stands to reason that this is down to Khan seeing Brook as the money fight.
     
  15. Mandibular Fortitude

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    One of Khan's faults for me is he doesn't adapt very well once his opponent is starting to suss him out. Danny Garcia was getting closer and closer until landing the bomb, ditto Canelo. His loss to Peterson saw Peterson coming from behind. Maidana, Diaz and Algieri - all finished strongly against him.

    That's why I think once Brook times him with something big- if it doesn't end there and then- it's only a matter of time. And I cannot fanthom Khan going 12 rounds without someone as good as Brook clipping him. Brook is an absolute master of judging the distance and he is also a very strong and composed finisher. It won't be a case of him holding on until the final bell like he did v Maidana, because Brook will pick his shots wisely and won't be acting like a pit bull on heat giving Khan a bunch of ref breaks.