Absolutely, people certainly could give credit to fighters who do 'better' than their last round(s) yet still not good enough.
I dont count punches. The last half of the fight is more important than the 1st half. The winner should be the one who has taken control by the end. Who is the BOSS at the end. Effective punches. Old school !!!!!
I am good with scoring a fight that is not close. I am not a professional, I am just a fan. There are a ton of people on here though that are just completely full of **** or straight up delusional and pretend that a very close fight like Ward/Kov is something obvious for one side. Even when it is not obvious between professionals that have dedicated their life to boxing. Same idiots probably put in rounds on the heavy bag at home to the rocky soundtrack thinking about what could have been when they were young.
I watched the fight three times I feel Kovalev won clearly. I do believe people are becoming hung up on the punch stats that do favor Kovalev slightly. I look at who is controlling the fight and I felt from range Kovalev absolutely dominated Ward. Ward never landed a single combination in the fight. His punch out put diminished drastically from previous fights a clear sign that he was having trouble taking Kovalev's return fire. I'm sorry landed an occasional jab and then wrestling and punching in clinches doesn't win this fight for me. Kovalev 7-5 or 8-4.
i never really admitted this but i think ward won the boxing match. and its hurts to admit that. we should be used to it. which we are. lets hope judges get it right tonight. jack vs degale might be a mess if there isnt a ko. another thing is kovalev was the fan favorite so there are tons of biased fans like me. naturally i wanted kovalev to win but watching the fight i had ward up 1 rd . he did enough inside to win the fight . his inside work and dirty boxing got him the win .
Looking at all the replies here I don't think any one has actually got the point of my thread. This is not about Ward Kovalev or any other fight. I have been meaning to make this thread for a while now, long before the Ward fight but I'm old lazy and probably the slowest typist here. This is not about how to score or the subjectiveness of scoring a fight. That is a whole different subject and something I might go into later. I thought I explained it in my original post but obviously I failed. I will try to explain. The combined pool of knowledge on this forum is extremely impressive. You can get valuable updated inside information that you won't get anywhere else. Basically there is a lot of dudes here that know their sh!t when it comes to boxing. You don't have to look far to see well thought out intelligent appraisals and information on our sport. With that comes a lot of trash and self proclaimed experts that think they know the sport. Lots of times I see guys who think they know how to score a fight and can't wait to let everyone know come on here and say they thought one guy won but they can accept it could have gone the other way. What I am trying to get across here is if you think you know how to score a fight and you are prepared to publicly declare your score then do it the same way as the actual judges for the fight do it and that is write the winner of each rd down add them up and come up with one score like the judges do. Cut out all this bs like ''yer I had him winning 115-113 but I could go with the other guy winning 115-113. The official judges for the fight don't get to score like that and come up with one score only. This topic is not a matter of whether you got the right score or not or how you got. Like I said that is a different subject altogether. It's about if you want to tell everyone what your score is then do it like the judges do it and come up with one score only. I know there are some knowledgeable guys here that occasionally come up with these each way decisions so apologies to you if you think I referred to as trash.
The problem is, rounds are very close and competitive. I once held my scores as gospel. But then I found if I rewatched a fight I didn't always score it the same. I also realised my scores mean nothing. Instead I have my score so I can evaluate someone's performance but ultimately I accept the judges decision and if a fight is controversial there should be a rematch to settle it.
No fathomable way for you, that's what you've meant to say. Vast, overwhelming majority of boxers and boxing experts/ringside observers/journalists had the fight a comfortable win for Kovalev.
A guide to boxing scoring in 1955 Sports Illustrated Vault. http://www.si.com/vault/1955/12/05/596424/boxing
If the lighter puncher outlands the crude plodder 20-3 in every rd, ie Martinez vs Chavez Jr..... But when the monster puncher not only outlands, but outboxes from the outside, outwrestles on the inside, lands the cleaner shots, drops the softer puncher etc etc etc........you can't give Jr the win over Martinez cause he landed the hardest punch. You also cannot give Ward a fight in which his finest punches were delivered in clinches he initiated. Ward did not clown Kovalev like Mayweather has been doing to the vast majority of his opponents and rightfully winning vs the bigger punchers. And on a side note........ Peterson boxed Garcia with Mayweather-esque potshitting for 6 rds without so much as being touched give or take a rd. Then, after taking a rd off, he turned up the infighting and DOMINATED Garcia for the final 4 rds. So he looked like Mayweather 1-6 schooling Garcia, then from 8-12 he beat Garcia like a redheaded stepchild. There are SOOOOOO MANY examples of PURE ROBBERY in this sport. Malik Scott v Giftkov Chisora v Helenius Bradley over Pac Pac over Marquez 3. The home fighter or the perceived NAME is always given the gift. Bradley Pacqioua being the exception, because Pac was considering retirement after the fight, and was robbed by his own promoter soas to make him want to stick around. F/N sick shiit.
I agree with nearly everything you said, but i dont agree with the way the commentary team put it. Ward was way more active on the inside all Kovalev did was grab hold. I had the fight a draw or 1 round to Kovalev but it wasnt a robbery thats my opinion, did Ward get the benefit of the doubt of course but as the champion why would you allow the contender to have all the judges the same nationality as him, thats asking for trouble. Any way if you think thats robbery fair enough I guess we have to operating definitions of the term, I hope the rematch happens so we can be done with this debate, I got ward winning more cleanly this time round.
I'm not a professional judge and have no problem admitting that there are some people here that have greater knowledge of the sport than I do. Sometimes fights appear to be close contests and since I'm a fan and not a pro, I do have the luxury of entertaining different points of view before I make up my mind who actually won and am grateful for the diverse analysis available here and other forums. So shoot me.
It is nice to see scorecards posted with "swing rounds" (rounds that could go either way) indicated. That way it can be seen how a different judge could come to a different conclusion on the same fight based on the closeness of the rounds.