I had degale winning 115-112

Degale should move up.. I think he would do well at 175..

 

But I mean.. Groves and Eubank is at 168.. so.. I doubt he would..

 

He has big money fights on the table at SMW and makes the weight comfortably, no need too.

 

I thought Jack edged it. A draw seems fair to me though.

 

I had Jack nicking it, really can't see a case made for Degale by 3 rounds?

What rounds did you score for Degale?

 

Had it a clear win for jack. Go as far to say robbery. Theres just no way you can give even a draw imo. Outlanded in every round but two. With harder sharper punches and visibly shaking far more than jack was even the knockdown was a good bit heavier. Outpunched by 100 harder punches.

The groves jack fight was actually closer than the degale one. Could even make a case for groves nicking it but with him not being popular at that time people were more than happy to claim a loss for him.

 

FFS why does the word robbery get bandied around all the ****n time....clueless....kers this was another close fight so a draw was a fair result!!

 

Cant agree with that. Robbery for me. That was a clear win for jack. Outlanded every round but 2. Outpunched by 100 punches. One guys slapping while the others punching. Degale slaps with half his punches. Its not amatuer boxing we re scoring. He d still have lost anyway. Was visibly hurt far more degales punches barely had any effect on jack. Degale made it competetive but it was a clear loss. If that fights a draw i d go as far to say theres something fundamentaly wrong with scoring a boxing match.

How can you punch someone a hundred times more in a twelve round fight with the harder punches outlanded in every round but 2 and then get a draw. And people call it a close fight that could have gone either way.

Lets stop kidding ourselves on.

Theirs been worse robberys out there...but it doesnt change that it was a robbery. His own promoter even said he lost the fight.

 

Dont get me wrong degale was a warrior last night. Balls of steal. They both deserve huge credit for last night.

Nothing wrong with degales heart anyway. Just cant score that fight a draw. Even just going by the stats and the fact jacks punches were far the harder shots.

Can totally see how people can sit watch the fight and because of degales performance let the heart rule the head but watching it again without bias. Its not been a draw.

 

Degale won 3 of the first four rounds and then won 9/10/11...6 rounds apiece

 

Just had a closer look at the stats wasnt quite as much as 100 punches more. But can we agree that jack was landing the much harder punches?

Fail to see how we can unbiasedly score for degale if hes still being outpunched in most of the rounds listed. Even the few rounds degale outpunched him do we not take into account that a lot of them are touching punches as opposed to jacks harder ones.

We seem to be fine giving degale the benefit of the doubt in every close round but if we re gonna be giving anyone the benefit of the doubt why not give it to the guy that outpunched him by 20 solid punches the round before.

 

Just rewatched 9/10 and 11 mate. Think its a stretch to give degale them rounds. Degale was in full retreat mode for half of them. Barring the first two rounds jack bounced shots off his head and body all nite long. Whereas a lot of degales shots were blocked by jack. Surely if you ve bounced a shot off someones head it counts for more than a punch in the arm. To give degale them rounds you d need to forget about who,s work was far cleaner. Forget about who punched the hardest. Then give him the benefit of the doubt for hitting with less punches. Robbery for me. If people gave jack the same benefit of the doubt as their giving degale could easily make a case for 10-2 jack. Could easily make a case for that without even giving him the benefit of the doubt.

 

Even the criteria for scoring a round...

Effective aggresion
Defence
Ring generalship
Clean scoring punches.

Every single one of them favours jack. Theres actually no way that fights a draw. As i said in another thread...if your not a flashy fighter or super fast...these judges dont know how to score for you. Jacks aggresion was more effective in every round after the second. His defence was better in every round after the second. His ring generalship and clean scoring punches from after the second was the same. Its a 10-2 fight. Maybe 9-3 if you give him either round 3 or 4.

After that hes not won any judging on that criteria.

 

I agree that I had De Gale winning 9th, 10th and 11th on my card, but he did not win any of those rounds clearly, and other posters have said they gave the 9th & 11th to Jack and I could not really argue with that. A lot of the work that DG was doing was flashy and busy but was it as effective? DG looked like he had been beaten up after the fight, because he took a lot more shots than Jack did (and the stats back that up, something like 80 more shots landed for Jack).

 

Degale lost clearly. I might even favour Groves to beat him if they rematched.