Are the likes of Mayweather, De La Hoya + Hatton just plain greedy?

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  1. Fat Joe

    Fat Joe Let's have it right Full Member

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    I understand the arguments that boxing is a business and who are the fans to criticise they are not the ones taking the punches.

    But does there come a time when a superstar fighter has banked enough money and should treat boxing as a sport first and a business second?

    There's Mayweather in semi-retirement fighting a pointless rematch with De La Hoya with one eye on some easy money rematching Hatton down the line. De La Hoya sticking around fighting little guys when his best days are behind him and then Hatton contemplating scrapping his dream of topping the bill at MSG just to pick up more dough in Vegas.

    Here's some recent comments from his old man who is also his manager.

    The Hitman pulled in TV fees of around £4.25million plus £2m in ticket sales on Saturday.

    Dad Ray said: “The fight in Manchester was all about Ricky ticking one of his boxes before he retires and he wants to tick another by fighting at the Garden. Fighting in Manchester was all about thanking Ricky’s fans but he could have probably earned twice as much if the bout had been staged in the United States.

    “You have to be sensible when you are on the last leg of your career.

    “Whoever comes up with the best money is where we will fight next. We have given Ricky his night in Manchester and it has cost him a lot of money.”


    And here's Ray Hatton showing his contempt for Junior Witter who at the time was WBC Champion.

    Hatton's lawyer, Gareth Williams made a lowball offer of a £100,000 purse, which Hennessy predictably turned down. "All right," said Ray Hatton, "it was an insult and I hold my hands up, but it was more money than he'd had for any of his fights before. If you're making statements like, 'I'll fight somebody for nothing' and then you offer somebody, even though it is an insult, bigger money than he's ever fought for before and they turn it down blank and want 30 percent of everything, let's have it right.""


    So do you view these 3 fighters as good businessmen or just plain greedy?
     
  2. smiffy

    smiffy Well-Known Member Full Member

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    boxings always been about the money.
    you're talking about 3 different people and the money comes into it to different degrees with all 3.
    greedy is the wrong word, i'd want to be paid well to make a living getting punched in the face.
     
  3. smiffy

    smiffy Well-Known Member Full Member

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    in the build up to the recent carl froch fight the other week they interviewd him at home on the phone to joe calzaghe, he asked to fight and calzaghe said he'd do it if the money was right openly.
    money and boxing are tightly linked, always have been.

    out of the three fighters mentioned i know hatton the most being from near manchester and i know from what i've read his main motivation is not the money but his handlers like his dad obviously look after that and have a vested interest in taking the biggest earning fights.

    out of the 3 i think de la hoya is the most money motivated
     
  4. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    I guess both, but it goes hand-in-hand. Very good businessman usually are greedy.
     
  5. BigBoss

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    Yes, they are. All 3 of them are exactly the same. It's more about the money now than anything else. The crossdresser is probably the most money driven out of the 3, but Mayweather is a very close 2nd ,anyone that nicknames themselves "Money" obviously cares about it more than anything, especially if he's flipping it, real or fake to people and carrying wads of it wherever he goes. Hatton is all about the green only also, he is now a UK version of Mayweather. Listening to any of the 3 nowadays, you couldn't tell them apart, except one is Brit, another is African-American and the other likes wearing women's clothes. It's no wonder they are all apart of GGP.
     
  6. Fat Joe

    Fat Joe Let's have it right Full Member

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    Yes I could see that watching "The Apprentice" earlier.
     
  7. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    Just plain No.

    Mayweather, De La Hoya and Hatton all have something in common.

    They all have forty or more fights, they have all been doing this for a decade and all of them at some point or another would have been fighting for peanuts at risk to their health.

    They are now in positions where fights generate large income, to get the biggish incomes, they have to fight biggish names, argue all you want about DLH/Hatton but those guys are not bums and Floyd fighting them on the basis of money IS correct but it's not like he's taking a kid off the street and giving him a pounding.

    All of them have the right to view boxing as a profession, like any profession you ask yourself three questions.

    A: How much will I make?
    B: What will this do for my future earnings?
    C: What are the risks involved?

    I guarantee any damn one of us in our job would never do twice the work for half the pay and that is exactly what a guy like Margarito usually means for Floyd Mayweather Jr.

    Fight ODLH or Hatton, get over 10 mil.

    Fight Margarito, well, 8 mil on the table, locked in with Arum for another 5 fights, which would have probably meant never getting the DLH fight or Hatton fight.

    It's not greed, it's common sense.
     
  8. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    Fighters have a very limited shelf life where they are at the peak of their earning power, they've probably been boxing for relative peanuts since their early teens and now they want paying well for risking permanent damage when entering the ring for all those years.

    Who are we to say what is greedy and what isn't? Where is the line in the sand? Make the most of it I say...
     
  9. Fat Joe

    Fat Joe Let's have it right Full Member

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    Yes I saw that clip. What I would say though is that despite his successful career I don't think Calzaghe has earned nearly as much as these 3.
     
  10. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    :lol: Beat me to it. Great post!:good
     
  11. Fat Joe

    Fat Joe Let's have it right Full Member

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    Doesn't there come a time when there's enough in the bank and you could look at things from a sporting point of view?
     
  12. PH|LLA

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    its the public that generates the money, so somewhere in there its normal for a boxer to think that the fight that makes the most money is the one that the fans want the most.
     
  13. puremental2

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    thats one thing i cant understand. if you have say 100 million dollars, why the **** would you want more?,theres no chance of spending it all.

    maybe its just cos im skint
     
  14. GazOC

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    And youre the man to decide when that time is? You've excused JC for wanting big money for a Froch fight so I take it Hatton/ Oscar and FBF have enough money for your liking but Calzaghe doesn't?
     
  15. Fat Joe

    Fat Joe Let's have it right Full Member

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    That's my way of looking at it. I don't understand someone like Hatton turning his back on a long held dream to top the bill at MSG for a bit more money when he is minted already.