David Haye's entire career has been smoke and mirrors

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  1. yesihavearm2

    yesihavearm2 ESB Chinchecker Full Member

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    I used to be a big Haye fan, in fact I forked out to go and see him at the o2 in his first HW contest vs Monte Barrett.

    He has just burned myself, and his other fans too many times and now I can see his career from both sides.
     
  2. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    Right and that's fair enough but a lot of what you wrote isn't really the case due to this anger.

    Do you really think he was in trouble against Barrett? Do you really believe he lost ever second of every round against Wlad?
     
  3. Sir Will Wigan

    Sir Will Wigan HLF: A Real "Fightin' Man" Full Member

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    I expect David to absolutely obliterate Bellew. However, thereafter, a likely scenario is that he just fobs around for months accomplishing nothing but running his mouth.
     
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  4. yesihavearm2

    yesihavearm2 ESB Chinchecker Full Member

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    Agree with both points
     
  5. GTFUP

    GTFUP Active Member Full Member

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    So what happens if he beats AJ Klit Wilder & Fury......what will be the consensus on him. I know it's pie in the sky but it would be interesting to know what the haters would think of him if he done the impossible. I personally don't like him but something inside tells me he could prove us all wrong because he can bang! Anyone in boxing will tell you the same.
     
  6. yesihavearm2

    yesihavearm2 ESB Chinchecker Full Member

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    What if David Price in his next 4 fights beat AJ Klit Wilder & Fury? What would people think of him then?

    It's like saying if the sky wasn't blue.
     
  7. emallini

    emallini Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    What a load of nonsense
     
  8. yesihavearm2

    yesihavearm2 ESB Chinchecker Full Member

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    Care to explain
     
  9. greenhornet

    greenhornet Boxing Addict Full Member

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    all four of those guys are smoke and mirrors at this point too.
     
  10. N17

    N17 Loyal Member Full Member

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    I'm not a fan of Haye but I still want him to stick it on Bellew and dish out a seriously vicious KO and absolutely ruin him.
     
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  11. hap

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    Outside of Calzaghe, who tested himself far too late in his career and who can never receive the accolades his natural talent warranted, the best 3 boxers the UK has produced in the last 2 decades are Ricky Hatton, Carl Froch and David Haye.

    Like it or not.

    Haye was the legitimate unified cruiserweight and heavyweight champion of the world. That's the rarest of achievements historically.

    You might not like his candor, you might not like his social presence, but the above is undeniable and for whatever it's worth, Tony Bellew is going in against a British legend.

    Like it or not.
     
  12. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    When was he the legitimate heavyweight champion of the world exactly? I seem to have missed that part of his career somehow.

    When defending Haye's career people always come up with opinions up to complete nonsense.
    I've read he was the undisputed Cruiserweight champion so many times here, I almost start to believe that myself. Luckily you at least called him unified but in a way like he had all the belts, which of course he didn't and didn't try to achieve either. He was the consensus champion, and held 3 belts out of 2 won titlefights.

    Then heavyweight. He won a belt in one of the worst heavyweight stinkers in recent history, which shouldn't be his at all. Forget about the Holyfield thing (seriously that was a close fight), forget about the Ruiz thing (close fight as well), it belonged to Chagaev who got stripped of it for insane reasons just before getting whooped by Wlad. So eventually Wlad should have been the owner of that belt, and Valuev's strap was as paper as they come. Then Haye only edged him in a stinker...

    Haye took the easiest route on all but two occasions. Beat 2 good opponents in his entire career (Valuev and Mormeck) and those were close fights, with one battle vs Mormeck and a Froch vs Dirrell clone in which the guy playing Dirrell (Haye) won this time out.

    Then there was the number of fights in which he did it all and his opponent's records that which I've seen boasted about. Look at the timeframe, that's called inactivity! He's no Lomachenko who only takes on good fighters from the start and then only fights in titlefights. Haye has been hunting for guys with extremely padded records troughout his career. It all looks good on paper but there it all ends.
     
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  13. Grooveongreg

    Grooveongreg Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I can never decide if I like Haye or not

    He was a great cruiser and should have stayed there and dominated. His heavy weight cv is littered with poor show.

    His demolition of chisora shows what he's capable of. He is the most dangerous heavyweight on the planet but is more interested in fame and money
     
  14. yesihavearm2

    yesihavearm2 ESB Chinchecker Full Member

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    Haye is anything but a legend.

    His entire HW career has a been a farce designed to fool the unknowing fan such as yourself. The fact that you even put him in the same sentence as legends like Calzaghe, Froch and Hatton tells me all I need to know.

    - Won the WBA belt vs one of the weakest title holders ever who ROBBED Holyfield (I've no doubt that Haye would have challenged Evander had the correct result been called because he has no shame
    - Fleeced the public out of their hard-earned by making him vs Fraudley a PPV event, probably the worst PPV event in boxing history
    - Lost every round to Wlad
    - Best win at HW an old and shot Chisora who Tyson Fury had already beaten twice
    - Comes back after 5 years because he's broke, faces two taxi drivers and a cruiserweight lol!

    In fact Tyson Fury has already eclipsed David Haye's career in every aspect. He unified the titles something Haye failed to do, and he also has bettered Haye's best win (Chisora) by beating a younger undefeated version of him...twice. Joshua will have also have surpassed Haye if he beats Wlad in April.

    Like I said in my opening post, Haye's career is smoke and mirrors and won't be remembered as one of the greats when it's all said and done.
     
  15. delboy82

    delboy82 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Great Cruiserweight to be fair tho