Canelo: $15M Is More Than Golovkin Deserves. Take it or Leave it.

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  1. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    What the hell are you talking about?

    He's just done 500k with Brook, and his figures with Jacobs will be very good.

    What do you mean nobody knows who he's fighting?

    He has casual appeal.

    In terms of popularity, the Brook fight was great for him.
     
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  2. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    Everyone wants a piece Canelo
    GGG not so much. High risk/Low rewaed
     
  3. inner2deepz

    inner2deepz Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Canelo doesn't need him he's the cash cow he can fight nobody's and still make more than GGG. Also why was figuring percentages not good enough?? People where okay for Manny and Floyd but not Canelo and GGG?! (At one point mannys fans says that was the fairest way to do it) Stop the bias man. GGG wants a percentage okay give it to him but let's get a neutral firm to do the math based on numbers. If they do GGG gets a lot less than 15million
     
  4. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    READ CAREFULLY:

    GG has MORE options than Canelo does at this point.


    Yes, Canelo sells PPV's.

    He always will do. But his last PPV numbers were poor.

    Tell me who he can fight for great money if he doesn't fight GG?

    Give me a realistic list.

    Floyd, Manny and Brook etc, aren't there.

    He can only rematch Chavez depending on the outcome of their fight in May.

    Would anyone really want a Cotto rematch?

    Once he's fought at 165, it's highly unlikely he'll go back to JMW.

    He won't ever fight beyond MW.

    So who are his PPV's going to be against?


    GG can go back to the U.K. and fight Eubank, Groves, BJS or Smith etc, for a guaranteed purse of £5m plus.

    He could also potentially fight Ramirez, or even Chavez.
     
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  5. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    Nobody knows GG or who he's fighting. He has no casual appeal yet.
     
  6. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Who?

    Give me the names.

    He'll soon be at 165.
     
  7. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Stop talking bollocks!

    What's wrong with you?

    Kell Brook has NEVER been a big draw, yet he's just done 500,000 PPV's with GG.

    Wake up!
     
  8. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    No, that's not true at all.

    He simply cannot fight ANYONE and make more than GG does.

    You need a reality check.

    GG had a bigger guarantee for Brook, than what Canelo had against Smith.

    A fight with Eubank and the other Brit's would make him another £5m plus.


    Yes, Canelo needs him for a number of reasons:

    A GG fight would give him his biggest payday.

    He doesn't have many other options that would pay him huge sums.

    His reputation has taken a huge hit.

    GG has almost all of the MW belts, and he'll have all of them if he's successful against Jacobs and BJS.

    There'd be nobody else to fight at MW who'd be relevant.

    The pressure for him to fight GG is immense.


    Regarding the split, again: the PPV figures from their previous fights is only ONE FACTOR to consider. Yes, it's one of the most important, but there's still many others.
     
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  9. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    He doesn't have more options. Canelo sells. He sells ppvs. GG does not sell ppvs. Those are facts. Options are options but facts are facts.
     
  10. trumperZ06

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    :risas3: Hhmmm...seems a lot of you are losing site of the "CONTEST" that attracts the casual fanbase !

    :bandit: If GGG/Canelo fight it will be for the MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP BELTS !

    :applaudit: The average "man in the street" only glances at PPV numbers/Purse split and O$CAR's propaganda.
    They want to see a TITLE MATCH for the MIDDLEWEIGHT WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP .

    :BangHead: Now ask yourself... how many MW Belts does El Pollo Canelo hold?

    :eyebrow2: At last count... GGG holds THREE BELTS and is THE MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD.

    :eaea: And all the CANELO NUT HUGGERS can say... in their opinion, Canelo is the biggest draw.

    :facepalm: Canelo/GBP actually need this fight more than GGG... yet the TROLLS preach the "GOSPEL ACCORDING TO O$CAR"!

    Ask yourself... who's been talking to the press trying to hype Canelo as being the crowd favorite?

    GGG/K2 keep getting "LOW-BALL OFFERS" with threats from GBP/O$CAR/Canelo, and so far have simply

    REJECTED ALL THREE !
     
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  11. Loudon

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    He's just had a huge hand in selling 500,000 PPV's.

    Canelo's fight against Smith flopped.

    There is immense pressure on Canelo to fight GG. If he doesn't fight GG, WHO DOES HE REALISTICALLY FIGHT AFTER CHAVEZ??

    What are you not understanding?

    At 165 pounds, it's highly unlikely that Canelo would go back to 154, or go up to 168.

    Again: Floyd, Manny and Brook etc, are out of the equation.

    Who's left??

    GG can go back to the U.K. and have a huge hand in selling other 500k plus PPV's, against the likes of Eubank and DeGale etc.

    Am I speaking Arabic or something?
     
  12. inner2deepz

    inner2deepz Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Oh Canelo needs him because he lost fans... psh not even tell old man GGG take the money or no fight. Canelo is he A side get over it. Maybe if GGG would fight a challenge he would have more room to talk but he doesn't he's 34 or around there. His best opposition he's. 8-1 favorite against no reality checked needed on my part. Men lie, women lie numbers don't. The numbers show GGG don't deserve 15 million. So I hope he keeps that same mentality when Canelo and Golden boy walk away he will be wishing he had taken the 15 million.
     
  13. Loudon

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    Canelo is about to fight in the MW division.

    Once he's made the move, realistically, there's no going back.

    If he fights at MW and doesn't fight GG, he'll be hounded. Again: There won't be any other relevant fights at MW after Jacobs and BJS have been taken out of the equation. What part of that don't you understand?

    If the fight doesn't happen, BOTH guys will suffer financially. But GG can move up and have relevant fights at SMW, and possibly beyond.

    Where does Canelo go? He'll be the guy who gave his belt away, and who wanted a CW, before going onto fight Chavez at 10 pounds heavier, just 12 months later.

    Canelo is the one who'll suffer the most if the fight doesn't happen. And you're deluded if you think otherwise.
     
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  14. inner2deepz

    inner2deepz Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Charlo, Cotto rematch, Chavez rematch, Eubank Jr, Lemieux, BJS (there saying he's gonna fight GGG but nothing is signed), Andy Lee, Kell Brook, he could pull a GGG get a 147lber to come up. I mean I could keep going. If the fight doesn't happen yes they bother suffer but GGG is old Canelo is not he's got a lot of paydays ahead of him.
     
  15. kirk

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    By 'Options', I was specifically talking about BIG MONEY fights.... thats the whole point. You quoted a post in a chain of posts specifically talking about who needs who more, and I am saying Canelo has more BIG MONEY options than Golovkin.... Canelo has more BIG FIGHT options than Golovkin. But if you want to just assemble a list of potential fights then lets do that then I guess. But before we do, let me say again....

    Canelo vs Cotto 2 is bigger than any fight Golovkin can realistically make
    Canelo vs Chavez is bigger than any fight Golovkin can realistically make

    Really, its the end of the discussion. You can name as many Golovkin vs Dirrel and Smith fights all you want... thats not the point. We arent just naming every single possible combination of fights that could theoretically be possible. The point is Canelo has other fights that would sell more than any other G fight.... and he has other fights that will bring him more money than anything G can bring in fighting anyone other than Canelo, which is why Golovkin needs Canelo more than Canelo needs Golovkin. Thats the basis for this entire conversation.

    Now, as for your post just listing any and every possible fight Golovkin can take regardless of how big it is or how much money it makes....

    Canelo can fight

    - Cotto
    - Chavez
    - Eubank at 160 (Eubank says he will be fighting at both weights and Canelo is someone hes gunning for.)
    - Saunders at 160 (until theres a finalized deal with G, hes still a realistic opponent for Canelo seeing as GBP wants to get him as an opponent)
    - Lemieux in Canada after he beats Stevens (an obvious fight for Canelo as its in house with GBP)
    - Charlo at 160 (one of the best 154lbers just recently moved into the middleweight division, would jump at the chance to fight Canelo)
    - Andrade at 160 (One of the best and biggest 154lbers, Andrade would jump at the chance to fight Canelo)
    - Andy Lee at 160 (would be a good introduction to a top 10 fighter at middleweight)



    Now.... before you tell me any of those are unrealistic because Canelo wont fight them.... keep in mind you listed fighters that Golovkin has specifically said hes not interested in as an opponent (Ramirez), fighters that have already ducked a fight with Golovkin (Eubank allowed his deadline to knowingly come and pass, same thing) so lets not split too many hairs on what is and isnt 'realistic'.

    Add to it that most of those fights will make more money than most of G's fights, and the initial point stands.
     
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