Should becoming Undisputed automatically make you Lineal Champ?

In that case, if the linear champ is still in the division as the one where the guy has the other belts, the linear guy would most likely be viewed as the rightful World Champion, while the other guy is a unified titleholder. Of course, without having any specifics on this (Which is hard due to being a hypothetical situation), it's usually determined on a case by case basis.

 

to me u need to have 3 of major 4 belts to be called undisputed! I think wlad, fury and golovkin, maywaether (beating pac) are the last undisputed champs

 

Alvarez is THE Champion @ MW. Years and years of boxing tradition that has essentially been etched in stone trumps what you Bumlovkin nut huggers think.

 

I'm not making it sound like anything james. That's simply your processing of information taking you there. And for the most part yes we do know who the world champ is in most of the divisions. Unfortunately, in some that line is more blurry.

There is simply too much politics, different top rankings, mandatories, as well as network exclusives, which can all prohibit a fight from occurring, even if it is a unification bout.

But I feel you are missing a vital point....in the absence of a linear champ, it'll go down to the two highest ranked fighters (Usually from Ring, who's rankings are pretty much the best even if one disagrees with the publication owner), which 4 out of 5 times, involves a unification, which what you are asking for. But trying to unify 4 belts? Look at the difficulty 3G has. Who else is trying to unify all the titles? No one really.

 

you don't get to hold the title of lineal champ hostage without defending it, other fighters have a right to challenge for it. canelo handed his belt to golovkin in a shameless duck and then moved out of the division, he lost his claim to be lineal in the eyes of sane boxing fans when he did that. everyone knows who the man is at middleweight and its not canelo...

 

Lineal title only holds weight when it is from a champion who has won the belt from someone defending his title against the top contenders. The lineal title at 160 is an absolute mockery of the middleweight lineage and the bs started with an aging maravilla (who happened to be one of my fav fighters). There was a time when lineal/ring/undisputed always meant you were the king of the division. Now every case would have to be looked at individually. Has there ever been an "undisputed" champ of the division who really wasn't the consensus top dog? Somebody let me know.

 

I hear ya. If there's a linear champ, and for some reason refuses to face the other titleholders, then he really shouldn't be linear (See Adonis Stevenson), or considered the champ, because a champion defends. I hate it when a fighter wins a belt, and doesn't even bother to defend it, or unify, renders it a little useless.

But I got what you mean now.

Well, that is for the most part, what they do. Wait on unification of those picking up the titles.

When I say No 1 versus No 2, that also generally involves guys who already have titles. For the most part.

But I got your point James

 

W R O N G.

Jack Dempsey sat on the HW title for THREE years after beating Firpo.

Three freggin years.

Boxing history says that YDKSAB.

 

Answer to the thread; No, hell no!

El Pollo is not lineal champion, he is a damned chicken and a liar!

 

its a fan created title, the fans decide who the lineal champ is, if the fans don't consider canelo lineal then he's not lineal. in the eyes of most boxing fans canelo stopped being the man when he ducked, dropped his belt and walked out of the division to avoid ggg, gennady is the man now, deal with it...

 

I think you are misunderstanding the topic here.

The debate is not about whether Alvarez is the lineal MW champion or not (he is), it's about whether the rules defining the lineal champion should be changed.

BTW, the OP is not in any way a Golovkin fan.

 

What exactly are the rules governing how long a fighter can hold the lineal title whilst fighting outside the division before he is deemed to have relinquished it? Nay_Sayer mentioned how Jack Dempsey held his lineal title for three years between fights but that seems a bit different since he wasn't retired and clearly wasn't going to come back as a Light Heavyweight.